Supernanny

[madzone]

All that will teach them is not to get caught next time. How on earth does hitting a child teach that child that hitting is bad?

By showing them what it feels like.

 

[madzone]

And ofcourse that works equally the other way around.

Yeeeees, so you just prove my point

 

[peppery]

I though yesterdays program was excellent. How to deal with an ill disciplined child without resorting to violence.

I'll never hit my boy, you don't need to teach them to use violence. I got hit by my parents all the time, it never stopped me, what stopped me was the thought that I may have been upsetting them.

 

[madzone]

Ok - questrion to all the wholemeal meal parents/ Your 6 year old goes up to another child and pokes himin the eye with a stick. What do you do? Explain to him that you mustn't poke Johnny in the eye with a tick becaue he might not be able to see again and he might not be able to master the Alexander techinique or do Tai Chi when he's older and that may really upset him?

 

[Buddy Bradley]

By showing them what it feels like.

By showing them that it's okay to hit other people? I pity your children.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Ok - questrion to all the wholemeal meal parents/ Your 6 year old goes up to another child and pokes himin the eye with a stick. What do you do? Explain to him that you mustn't poke Johnny in the eye with a tick becaue he might not be able to see again and he might not be able to master the Alexander techinique or do Tai Chi when he's older and that may really upset him?

Presumably you are inferring that the only way to counter that sort of behaviour is to administer a sound thrashing, because two injured children are better than one?

 

[madzone]

By showing them that it's okay to hit other people? I pity your children.

And I pity yours - so we're quits eh? I haven't mentioned anyhting about your kids up till now mate so why don't you fuck off and stick your pompous head up your middle class arse.

I also haven't said that I hit my kids. I think you're in denial personally, you paint a rosy picture becasue the reality isn't so hot.

 

[madzone]

Presumably you are inferring that the only way to counter that sort of behaviour is to administer a sound thrashing, because two injured children are better than one?

Well, I was thinking more of a stint up a chimney.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

By showing them what it feels like.

Children who are routinely exposed to corporal punishment at home, are more likely to hit their children and wives in later years.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

pompous head up your middle class arse.

Pot, kettle, black.

And I didn't say I pitied your kids because you hit them - I pity them for having you as a mother.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Well, I was thinking more of a stint up a chimney.

Can't answer the question yourself, then? Can't say I'm surprised.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Ok - questrion to all the wholemeal meal parents/ Your 6 year old goes up to another child and pokes himin the eye with a stick. What do you do? Explain to him that you mustn't poke Johnny in the eye with a tick becaue he might not be able to see again and he might not be able to master the Alexander techinique or do Tai Chi when he's older and that may really upset him?

I'd take him/her inside, i.e. away from the fun of playing. I'd sit the kid in their room and explain why what they did was wrong. Then they'd stay in the room for a bit to think about it, and about the fact that they'd just lost tv/videogames/outings/what have you, for some specified period of time.

Smacking the kid's ass will definitely sting for a few minutes, but then it's gone. What's left is a feeling of rage and impotence that a larger human being is able to best them like that, and what builds is a desire to get even: if not with you, then with other substitutes for you. Like that wife in future years.

They actually get more worked up about losing tv or other privileges for a couple of nights. But you have to actually go through with it.

 

[madzone]

Pot, kettle, black.

And I didn't say I pitied your kids because you hit them - I pity them for having you as a mother.

I'm not middle class. We have an outside toilet.

 

[madzone]

I'd take him/her inside, i.e. away from the fun of playing. I'd sit the kid in their room and explain why what they did was wrong. Then they'd stay in the room for a bit to think about it, and about the fact that they'd just lost tv/videogames/outings/what have you, for some specified period of time.

Smacking the kid's ass will definitely sting for a few minutes, but then it's gone. What's left is a feeling of rage and impotence that a larger human being is able to best them like that, and what builds is a desire to get even: if not with you, then with other substitutes for you. Like that wife in future years.

They actually get more worked up about losing tv or other privileges for a couple of nights. But you have to actually go through with it.

So, let's go back to the times when it was not only acceptable to smack a child but expected. Are you saying that entire generations of poeple grew up to eb violent towards their children and routinely beat their wives?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So, let's go back to the times when it was not only acceptable to smack a child but expected. Are you saying that entire generations of poeple grew up to eb violent towards their children and routinely beat their wives?

Don't you think it might be a factor in the widespread spousal abuse that blights our society, and that is only being addressed in the past couple of decades?

 

[madzone]

Actually, I can't be arsed with this thread any more. I'm no more an advocate for smacking children than anyone else. However, I hope that the do gooder, liberal pinko lefties on this thread realise how fucking arrogant they sound when they criticise other people's parenting methods in such a sanctimonious way.

 

[madzone]

Don't you think it might be a factor in the widespread spousal abuse that blights our society, and that is only being addressed in the past couple of decades?

Can you provide any statistics for that Johnny? As far as I'm aware the rates of domestic violence haven't changed overly much. Just because something is being addressed doesn't mean the rates are dropping. And what about the rates of violent crime? I assume they will have gone down in the last couple of decades in direct relation to the societal pressure not to smack?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You learn what you're taught.

You learn what it's like to be in or have a family, when you're a kid in your own family.

If you grow up seeing that dad tends to solve family disputes with his fists, then you'd think that this was normal.

Yes, you might later go to university and learn that hitting your wife is wrong, but when emotions run high in some family dispute, I'd expect that the person with violence in his/her background might be more likely to fall back on the old learning.

 

[madzone]

You learn what you're taught.

You learn what it's like to be in or have a family, when you're a kid in your own family.

If you grow up seeing that dad tends to solve family disputes with his fists, then you'd think that this was normal.

Yes, you might later go to university and learn that hitting your wife is wrong, but when emotions run high in some family dispute, I'd expect that the person with violence in his/her background might be more likely to fall back on the old learning.

Links?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Actually, I can't be arsed with this thread any more. I'm no more an advocate for smacking children than anyone else. However, I hope that the do gooder, liberal pinko lefties on this thread realise how fucking arrogant they sound when they criticise other people's parenting methods in such a sanctimonious way.

I don't think hitting kids is a good idea, and I think that using corporal punishment as a standard part of your discipline repertoire, is a downright bad idea, and I don't mind saying so.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Links?

I can dig them up, but are you seriously disputing that children exposed to violence in the home at an early age, will have a greater disposition to using violence when they grow up?

 

[madzone]

I don't think hitting kids is a good idea, and I think that using corporal punishment as a standard part of your discipline repertoire, is a downright bad idea, and I don't mind saying so.

So do I, but I don't routinely condemn people who have hit the end of their tether or who haven't the resources in the first place. This thread has shown some real superior, snotty attitudes towards people who are struggling with parenting for one reason or another and it leaves a really bad taste.
Smug
Sanctimoinous
Superior
Short sighted
Wank

 

[madzone]

I can dig them up, but are you seriously disputing that children exposed to violence in the home at an early age, will have a greater disposition to using violence when they grow up?

I'd like to see evidence to back it up. People aren't always such sheep that they blindly apply what happened to them to their own children. IME people strive to make sure their children aren't exposed to any trauma that they were (sometimes throwing the baby out with the bath water but that's another thread)

 

[peppery]

You learn what you're taught.

You learn what it's like to be in or have a family, when you're a kid in your own family.

If you grow up seeing that dad tends to solve family disputes with his fists, then you'd think that this was normal.

Yes, you might later go to university and learn that hitting your wife is wrong, but when emotions run high in some family dispute, I'd expect that the person with violence in his/her background might be more likely to fall back on the old learning.

You're spot on with your analysis there. I don't want my boy to think violence is a tool that gets results.

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Hahahaha ALL my kids were lovely at three, as are most of my friends three year olds
Until you have an older child I don't think you have the first idea about how to parent an older child. When they do get older and their behaviour changes due to hormones, puberty etc ( and it can and does start as young as 9) and just pushing boundaries becuase their mates are allowed to do such and such and all of a sudden they realise the world isnt a safe easy place and it isnt fair It is a BLOODY NIGHTMARE.
I suggest anyone with children smaller than around 8 or 9 doesnt even start to try to comment or criticise anyone elses parenting becuase believe me hold on to yur hats people. A whole lot changes when the tricks that work when they are under 5 dont work any more and all of a sudden hard discipline means just that, hard bloody work for the parents and unfortunately sometimes that does mean Dragging them up the stairs physically to put them in their rooms or to stop them doing something they want to or make them do something they don't want to do( like go to bed when said 10 year old is having a tantum and has decided lying on the living room floor screaming blue murder is the best plan of action)

 

[madzone]

Hahahaha ALL my kids were lovely at three, as are most of my friends three year olds
Until you have an older child I don't think you have the first idea about how to parent an older child. When they do get older and their behaviour changes due to hormones, puberty etc ( and it can and does start as young as 9) and just pushing boundaries becuase their mates are allowed to do such and such and all of a sudden they realise the world isnt a safe easy place and it isnt fair It is a BLOODY NIGHTMARE.
I suggest anyone with children smaller than around 8 or 9 doesnt even start to try to comment or criticise anyone elses parenting becuase believe me hold on to yur hats people. A whole lot changes when the tricks that work when they are under 5 dont work any more and all of a sudden hard discipline means just that, hard bloody work for the parents and unfortunately sometimes that does mean Dragging them up the stairs physically to put them in their rooms or to stop them doing something they want to or make them do something they don't want to do( like go to bed when said 10 year old is having a tantum and has decided lying on the living room floor screaming blue murder is the best plan of action)

Amen to that.

 

[Barking_Mad]

I'd take him/her inside, i.e. away from the fun of playing. I'd sit the kid in their room and explain why what they did was wrong. Then they'd stay in the room for a bit to think about it, and about the fact that they'd just lost tv/videogames/outings/what have you, for some specified period of time.

Smacking the kid's ass will definitely sting for a few minutes, but then it's gone. What's left is a feeling of rage and impotence that a larger human being is able to best them like that, and what builds is a desire to get even: if not with you, then with other substitutes for you. Like that wife in future years.

They actually get more worked up about losing tv or other privileges for a couple of nights. But you have to actually go through with it.

Shame you dont apply that type of logic to all your posts.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Shame you dont apply that type of logic to all your posts.

Why: am I agreeing with you on this thread?

 

[Buddy Bradley]

So do I, but I don't routinely condemn people who have hit the end of their tether or who haven't the resources in the first place.

And you call me a "liberal pinko leftie"? You just want to understand the motivations behind people hitting their children, presumably...

 

[toggle]

Hahahaha ALL my kids were lovely at three, as are most of my friends three year olds
Until you have an older child I don't think you have the first idea about how to parent an older child. When they do get older and their behaviour changes due to hormones, puberty etc ( and it can and does start as young as 9) and just pushing boundaries becuase their mates are allowed to do such and such and all of a sudden they realise the world isnt a safe easy place and it isnt fair It is a BLOODY NIGHTMARE.
(......)

another thing is that Madzone has a child that is hyperactive, unless you have dealt with the specific problems with a hyperactive child, that can't calm themselves to listen to reason, don't comment to those who have.

my hyperactive child is small enough to sit on when he kicks off. he's also incredibly strong. Give it a coupel of years and i won't be strong enough to physically restrain him when he starts. hyperactive and puberty will be a nightmare.