Sun O))) / Fascism / Responsibility

[Dubversion]

and- honest question- without this whole "doooooom! drone! evil! loud!" hardboy image, would anyone really be interested in listening to their records? their image seems to be half the experience...

their image is fun, and i fancy seeing them live. But if they came without the trappings - the robes, the 'none more metal' art work and all that, i DO think they'd still have a big following among the sort of people who listen to 'noise' and drone and stuff - Nurse With Wound and Merzbow fans, that sort of thing. It's like a metal Zoviet France, innit? or something like that

 

[Blagsta]

and to my knowledge it is only the russian and eastern-european fans of those metal bands who have expanded into racist leanings...but i might be wrong

Hmmmmm...there's at least one well known person on the Birmingham metal scene who describes himself as a "national socialist".

 

[kakuma]

point of fact, facism is not the same as racism. they are two different ideas although they often go together because fascism is based on populism (thanks for that....)

just checked sunO))) out, pretty funny, i watched them standing about for 7 minutes doing the buildup to a song, and then it finished

 

[Blagsta]

Yes, I'm aware they are not the same. They are however usually fairly well connected.

 

[sleaterkinney]

It's quite good music, but the free speech defence is rubbish, if it's dodgy it's dodgy end of.

 

[MysteryGuest]

i like sunn O))) their music is nice and slow, so that oldies like me can keep up with it.

 

[Sunspots]

I go to see quite a lot of gigs by bands that would be loosely classified as doom/stoner, but Sunn O))) don't do it for me.

I like the idea of them: they take the power chord to it's ultimate extension; but anything too slow and droney I just don't really have the patience for. I need drums. And repetition. And lots of huge riffs.

 

[kakuma]

Yes, I'm aware they are not the same. They are however usually fairly well connected.

but imo it's a fairly dodgy path to go down. facism is a term that is thrown about too readily nowadaysa bunch of boneheads are not facist

and iy cheapens what people havve wor

 

[kakuma]

Yes, I'm aware they are not the same. They are however usually fairly well connected.

but imo it's a fairly dodgy path to go down. facism is a term that is thrown about too readily

it shostyle uld not be cheapened under any circumstance

proper facists believe in mass murder
not like tonyi blair murder ohh f

 

[kakuma]

fucking mousse pads

 

[Dubversion]

proper facists believe in mass murder

no they don't, not necessarily. You're picking people up on their use of the term and then fucking it up yourself. Ethnic cleansing, racial purity etc, is not necessarily an intrinsic element of fascism

 

[Blagsta]

but imo it's a fairly dodgy path to go down. facism is a term that is thrown about too readily nowadaysa bunch of boneheads are not facist

and iy cheapens what people havve wor

I'm referring to a particular person who is well known on the metal scene in Brum who describes themselves as a "national socialist".

 

[kakuma]

fiacism is the will to powrr. i find it har to imaiigne a situation where the

fuck it





more latrere

 

[Dubversion]

fiacism is the will to powrr. i find it har to imaiigne a situation where the

fuck it





more latrere

or perhaps not.

 

[MysteryGuest]

on the cd player today

moonn (_)*(_) - holder of noddies

 

[118118]

Now I really like Sunn, I never thought I'd like metal before I heard some of their stuff, and have since downloaded shed loads. Bloody typical.

 

[118118]

I didn't think there was anything in their imagery that was fascistic. I mean, cowls and amps aren't, are they? As an anecdote, Thorr's hammer is the name of a nsbm group. Do you have any kind of link to that article?

 

[Dubversion]

I didn't think there was anything in their imagery that was fascistic. I mean, cowls and amps aren't, are they? As an anecdote, Thorr's hammer is the name of a nsbm group. Do you have any kind of link to that article?

i didn't ever say there is anything fascist about Sunn O))) themselves.

 

[maya]

but, in a way...wouldn't the logical conclusion of the whole macho-rock tradition be a kind of mass worship of the star-as-hero, i.e. a kind of mock fascism?
many rock artists have played with this...

and seen though that lens, it all makes sense: whether it is meant ironic (as i strongly suspect in Sunn0)))'s case: robed, hooded figures unleashing monster noise a la spector's wall of sound), just an over-the-top culmination of the rock idiom as sinister spinal tap spectacle...

 

[Idris2002]

no they don't, not necessarily. You're picking people up on their use of the term and then fucking it up yourself. Ethnic cleansing, racial purity etc, is not necessarily an intrinsic element of fascism

OK, so which were the fascist regimes and movements that did *not* perpetrate or aspire to mass murder, on ethnic grounds or otherwise?

 

[118118]

Meh, I read Heidegger's philosophy. And he was pretty fascist. Like you say, there's nothing in the music etc. that is fascistic really - no I do not think walls of sound are

 

[John Quays]

How many BM bands do we know to have National Socialist sympathies?

Mayhem, Graveland and Burzum I know about: otherwise I have wondered about Unleashed from the DM scene. As a previous poster said, the Russians and Eastern Europeans seem more into that side of it.

Pity that O'Malley should be linked remotely to far-right movements. I should get reading the interview, but they absolutely kill live. They weren't as slow and well, dull, as I'd feared. Engrossing and ritualistic.

I suppose that the impression of total aloofness sought by BM and other extreme musics, allied to misanthropy and the lyrical fascination with the power of the (Satanized) individual over corrupt systems can give rise to NS bullshit. That's why I listen to Napalm Death and Blockheads and stuff to counteract BM's potentially pernicious influence.