Suicide Bomber Kills 3 in Israel

[paullynch]

I wonder if you ever listen to yourself.

Hes a keyboard warrior, all posture.
In reality, probably living in his mothers basement.
Hey Garfield?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I wonder if you ever listen to yourself.

i wonder why you post on urabn at all i mean it's not as though you have ever engauged with anyone at all period...

all you ever do is snipe moan and post off topic abuse, you like a grey dull cardboard ern....

care to comment on the topic lock and lump or yet again is this just some kindof perverse need for attention which can only be gained by being such a misanthrope...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Hes a keyboard warrior, all posture.
In reality, probably living in his mothers basement.
Hey Garfield?

erm perhaps you might wish to do a quick search on photos from palestine ... just a thought...

great just what middle eastern policts needs another moron...

for refference

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=160964

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=141876

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3892687&postcount=34

very arm chair...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

How is the comment racist?

the preconcept of bad death bad death as defined with in the opening post the poster choose to highlight and comment on the actions of the palestinains in islolation from the actions of the isreali state and it's forces and in doing so picked a side to prioritise and a side to denergrate... no one can ever say killing is right imho however it's possible it's understandable, unaviodable (accidents do happen).

As i have stated on many occasions the situation is a plauge on both houses each year more idf recruits kill themselves than are killed in confrontation with the palestinians to highlight this point.

yet to continue the media and politcal bias which is shown to favour the zionist expansion and also to portray this as representative of world jewry or it's opinion of other cultures in particular arabs is racist as much as to denigrate the palestinans by doing so is also racist.

this is what i mean by it's racist.

 

[Lock&Light]

i mean it's not as though you have ever engauged with anyone at all period...

I have 'engauged' with you in the past, Garf, but gave up on you when through your illegibility your insults became obvious.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

erm i have nevwer blamed isreal love not once... now back that slander up with some quotes please jonny fuck head... before i go to town on your ass... you prozionist racist shit... hey but as long as they are kicking rag heads arses then you don't care whose mast your colours are nailed to eh because we all know your agenda love you want to learn them aryrabs since nine wun wun cos you was disgusted at them sand niggers and dune coons werenchas, as you have said over and over and over and over and over again.... you racist little fuck...hopeing that you continued claims of well they attacked us can in some way bridge the gap between your own fantasy of group shared out ouring of greif that you got swpet up in and your irrational and racist hatered of arabs...

so your quotes if you please shite hawk...

Does spittle fly when you talk like that?

 

[paullynch]

erm perhaps you might wish to do a quick search on photos from palestine ... just a thought...

great just what middle eastern policts needs another moron...

for refference

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=160964

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=141876

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3892687&postcount=34


<Ahem>
Ive just had a look at your links there Garf, and I can see you are clearly an intellect to be reckoned with.
I guess I picked on the wrong person, being new here and all that.
Sorry.
<cough>

 

[ViolentPanda]

To condone, 'to pardon or overlook'. You don't think that describing something as a 'natural response' is doing this?

Don't be a fool.
Violence is a "natural response" to repression. It's not the only response, but it's the one that is (unfortunately) most available to those being repressed.

World opinion is falling away from current Israeli policies. That's why statements from Hamas like that are counterproductive to the Palestinian cause.

And you occupy ?what? position to be able to delineate what is and isn't productive to the Palestinian cause (that is, if one is foolish enough to accept your interpretation of HAMAS' comment as a condoning)?

 

[ViolentPanda]

i wonder why you post on urabn at all i mean it's not as though you have ever engauged with anyone at all period...

all you ever do is snipe moan and post off topic abuse, you like a grey dull cardboard ern....

care to comment on the topic lock and lump or yet again is this just some kindof perverse need for attention which can only be gained by being such a misanthrope...

Sorry Garf, I'm going to have to pull you up on this description of Lock&Light as a "grey dull cardboard ern".

He's not that interesting. To describe him as being "grey dull cardboard" is bigging him up par excellence, and the next thing you know he'll start believing that his sad smug patheticisms have got some sort of meaning and validity.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Does spittle fly when you talk like that?

Probably only to the same extent your dick got hard when you were wishing destruction down on Jessica Lynch's "captors", Johnny.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Probably only to the same extent your dick got hard when you were wishing destruction down on Jessica Lynch's "captors", Johnny.

Diff is, that that was four years ago, and I've seen the error of my ways, with regards to that.

Has Garf seen his?

Also, you know what happened wrt my position on that, so by bringing it up in the way that you did, what does that make you?

 

[slaar]

Don't be a fool.
Violence is a "natural response" to repression. It's not the only response, but it's the one that is (unfortunately) most available to those being repressed.

Is it really so difficult for you to differentiate between generic violent resistance, and blowing up three random bakery workers?

And you occupy ?what? position to be able to delineate what is and isn't productive to the Palestinian cause (that is, if one is foolish enough to accept your interpretation of HAMAS' comment as a condoning)?

Since when did one have to be in any kind of position to make a comment on a bulletin board? Or does that only apply if I don't agree with your interpretation of events?

 

[Lock&Light]

Sorry Garf, I'm going to have to pull you up on this description of Lock&Light as a "grey dull cardboard ern".

He's not that interesting. To describe him as being "grey dull cardboard" is bigging him up par excellence, and the next thing you know he'll start believing that his sad smug patheticisms have got some sort of meaning and validity.

I have grown exceedingly sorry for you, VP. So brainy but lacking the ability to use them.

 

[moono]

Slaar, you've stated that Hamas have 'openly condoned' the incident. Please post again your source for review.

 

[nino_savatte]

Is it really so difficult for you to differentiate between generic violent resistance, and blowing up three random bakery workers?

Since when did one have to be in any kind of position to make a comment on a bulletin board? Or does that only apply if I don't agree with your interpretation of events?

The IDF doesn't care when children are killed - does it? It bulldozes the homes of innocent people too. Palestinian deaths greatly outnumber Israeli deaths. However, one can expect the Israeli repsonse to be disproportionate.

 

[slaar]

Slaar, you've stated that Hamas have 'openly condoned' the incident. Please post again your source for review.

Don't be silly moono. It's already been established that I think that the 'natural reaction' quote establishes this. You think differently.

nino - Very true, but also not hugely relevant to a discussion of whether or not the individual action by the suicide bomber counts as a natural reaction to oppression.

 

[nino_savatte]

nino - Very true, but also not hugely relevant to a discussion of whether or not the individual action by the suicide bomber counts as a natural reaction to oppression.

How is it not "hugely relevant"? I get the feeling that you want this discussion to go one way. I have simply reiterated the fact the Israeli's response will be disproportionate. You said

Is it really so difficult for you to differentiate between generic violent resistance, and blowing up three random bakery workers?

I guess if they were Palestinian bakery workers it would be different - non? In fact, we wouldn't have known their occupations but we are aware of the occupations of those Israelis who were killed. I don't suppose that had crossed your mind. How are their occupations relevant to this discussion?

I think it is relevant in light of what you have said in your posts on this thread

 

[slaar]

How is it not "hugely relevant"? I get the feeling that you want this discussion to go one way. I have simply reiterated the fact the Israeli's response will be disproportionate. You said

I guess if they were Palestinian bakery workers it would be different - non? In fact, we wouldn't have known their occupations but we are aware of the occupations of those Israelis who were killed. I don't suppose that had crossed your mind. How are their occupations relevant to this discussion?

I think it is relevant in light of what you have said in your posts on this thread

You can cast aspersions all you like, but it's not adding much to the debate.

Of course it would not be different if they were Palestinian, and it's not their occupation which is the issue but the fact that they are normal working people.

People here are justifying the suicide bombing as a 'natural reaction', that somwhow because the Israelis are murdering innocent people that it is natural and I don't agree that it is. So what does the fact that the Israeli response is likely to be disproportionate have with the debate?

 

[nino_savatte]

You can cast aspersions all you like, but it's not adding much to the debate.

Of course it would not be different if they were Palestinian, and it's not their occupation which is the issue but the fact that they are normal working people.

People here are justifying the suicide bombing as a 'natural reaction', that somwhow because the Israelis are murdering innocent people that it is natural and I don't agree that it is. So what does the fact that the Israeli response is likely to be disproportionate have with the debate?

Who's "casting aspersions"? You claim that it's "not adding much to the debate" but, if you don't mind me saying, it is very arrogant position to adopt.

I disagree, it is a natural response. None of us will truly know what it is like to live under such oppression.

So what does the fact that the Israeli response is likely to be disproportionate have with the debate?

Plenty, because it is the level and tone of the Israeli's response (and those in the past) that have perpetuated this cycle of violence. If you isolate that from the debate, then your debate becomes nothing more than a narrative.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Diff is, that that was four years ago, and I've seen the error of my ways, with regards to that.

Has Garf seen his?

Also, you know what happened wrt my position on that, so by bringing it up in the way that you did, what does that make you?

what does lieing and spreading shit and claiming that some one who has never ever ever once 'blamed isreal' but has worked extensively with peace organsieations to help provide solution to the middle east which extends way beyond violence and suffering could be dismissed by you shit spreading ways by some republican troll who hides behind belife that the ayrabbs are evil to give creedence to his repulsively racist view point and beleives the only good arab is a dead arab... after nine wun wun...

yet again you have nothing to add to the debate but lies bullshit spreading defamation, and general lowering the tone...

we all know your game jonny it's a simple game of racism ... hell should we order you a whtie hood and a lyching noose...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Don't be silly moono. It's already been established that I think that the 'natural reaction' quote establishes this. You think differently.

nino - Very true, but also not hugely relevant to a discussion of whether or not the individual action by the suicide bomber counts as a natural reaction to oppression.

what postiion are you in to judge shite hawk?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is it really so difficult for you to differentiate between generic violent resistance, and blowing up three random bakery workers?

Not for me, but I'm not the Palestinian who blew himself up, am I?
My point is that you're attempting to establish a dichotomy based on how you perceive the occurrence. My point to you is that someone reacting to continued repression may not see the "dividing line" that is visible to you.

Since when did one have to be in any kind of position to make a comment on a bulletin board? Or does that only apply if I don't agree with your interpretation of events?

I don't give a toss whether you agree with my interpretation or not, I'm trying to get across to you that yours is one of many, not the hegemonic view.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

People here are justifying the suicide bombing as a 'natural reaction',

no they are not you shite hawk... not one person has justified it however they have pointed out that the words hamas has used which are it is a natrual reaction neither condone or condem merely point out the facts of the case, it is a recognised and natral reaction. The fact you wish to pursue your shite hawk agenda of sayign any one who odjectively points out this postition is in someway a supporter of terrorism...

that somwhow because the Israelis are murdering innocent people that it is natural and I don't agree that it is.

they clearly you know fuck all about the situation and are speaking in a prejudical manner about something which you have little knowledge or experince. what an empty vessle you are...

So what does the fact that the Israeli response is likely to be disproportionate have with the debate?

becuase these actions by palesitnians are always portrayed inolation, exactly as you are attempting to do, and not as part of a greater action or reaction to a situation or the asymetirc nature of the war which is beign waged... and make no bones about it is a war...

there will always be discussion as to the reaction of the latest skimish and how this will affect the situation... it would be uncontionable to think otherwise... or moronic which is it with you...

 

[slaar]

Garfield, we can go rounf and round in semantic circles, but it's quite tedious. You seem to be under the impression that because you have been to Palestine and taken a few photos that this somehow gives you the right to insult anyone who says anything you don't instantly agree with. We've seen it many times on urban to a range of people. Which is an absurd position, but then your posting is frequently absurd so it's not surprising. It certainly does nothing for your persuasiveness or your argument.

nino and panda - I agree completely that this is my interpretation, and that it is not unique. Isn't that the whole point of debate? But I don't think that pointing out that blowing up random workers is morally dubious is particularly controversial outside ME politics.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Garfield, we can go rounf and round in semantic circles, but it's quite tedious. You seem to be under the impression that because you have been to Palestine and taken a few photos that this somehow gives you the right to insult anyone who says anything you don't instantly agree with. We've seen it many times on urban to a range of people. Which is an absurd position, but then your posting is frequently absurd so it's not surprising. It certainly does nothing for your persuasiveness or your argument.

no love the refference to my previousl work was to a certain newbie muppet who turned up and said with a mere 2 posts under their belt oh this persons an armchair activist... which is a) summit they know bugger all about and b) patently not true.

and you ad homine attacks not withstanding, you still have failed to enague on any form of acceptable level for these forums other than to lie misrepresent and stamp you feet when you are colled on it care to discuss the topic matter rather than accusing all insundary of justifying suicide bombers and the obfiscating your responses when you are called on your smear tactics...

off you toddle to knobbing and sobbing where they have a creche for the intellectually immature such as your good self. When you can learn who to speak to the adults then maybe oyu'll be allowed back to the table to speak with adults....

 

[slaar]

If you want to stop your insults Garfield, and discuss things in a civil way, then I'm more than happy to debate. But inferring that your debating style is mature and adult and mine childish, when your first words to me in this thread were

yawn away with you shite hawk

is ironic to say the least. I've managed to have a civil discussion with nino and violent panda despite the fact that the disagree with what I say probably as strongly as you do. Why do you think that is?

 

[nino_savatte]

nino and panda - I agree completely that this is my interpretation, and that it is not unique. Isn't that the whole point of debate? But I don't think that pointing out that blowing up random workers is morally dubious is particularly controversial outside ME politics.

I never said it was but you cannot conduct a discussion, such as this, without mentioning those other elements of which I wrote about.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I've managed to have a civil discussion with nino and violent panda despite the fact that the disagree with what I say probably as strongly as you do. Why do you think that is?

VP and nino wish to try and educate morons to a more relative stand point of understanding...

personally i think this is generally a totally futile endevour as racist morons with right wing view point cannot be taught... or educated... they can be repressed but they cannot be reached... and whilst on all other levels they can be civil and reasonable people it doens't excuse their extremist viewpoints or excuse their words or deeds taken in following those misheald beleifs...

basically VP and Nino see hope for you i don't...

 

[slaar]

Fair enough nino. I guess it does come down to whether one thinks an action is understandable in the context of oppression under which people find themselves. Either understandable as pure revenge, driven by grief and hate, or as a way to improve the situation. This attack certainly is not understandable as the latter, since as you said the response is likely to be disproportionate and kill a lot more innocent Palestinians.

Garfield - You need to have a word with yourself. But in the meantime, you won't mind me putting you on ignore since you see no hope.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Fair enough nino. I guess it does come down to whether one thinks an action is understandable in the context of oppression under which people find themselves. Either understandable as pure revenge, driven by grief and hate, or as a way to improve the situation.

it doesne come down to this it is this you don't get to set the moral standard here and then infer good or bad actions from it...

This attack certainly is not understandable as the latter, since as you said the response is likely to be disproportionate and kill a lot more innocent Palestinians.

It presupposes that if these attacks were to cease that the isreali governements reaction would be any different in the occupied territoires.

they wouldn't as theres an active polocicy of settlement of places like mala addumim and galilee around the dead sea... along with hebron an other areas such as the expansion of ariel settlement etc all of this will happen regardless of anything else becuase of simple economic factors and moneies changing hands so even if there were no attacks and the palestinians we meek as church mice they would still be wholesale slaightered just as the amazonian rain forest indians are by logging companies...

the second failure is to assume that the is some level of hierarchy of suffering which equates on side or the other as being of more moral sigfificance than another...

the final thing is that it assume an equality of oppertuntiy which again is lacking...

it sets up the concept that attacks on palestinians only happen becuase of palestinain acitons which isn't true, they happen becuase there is a land grab going on and to hell with the people who are in the way...

Garfield - You need to have a word with yourself. But in the meantime, you won't mind me putting you on ignore since you see no hope.

good good make it abotu the psoter rather than the comments which demoloish your argument nice troll off you go then... iggy away... muppet...