Suggested chants for the pro-Israeli war demo

[In Bloom]

Er.....not all the left have this view of supporting Islamic clerics.

By the way whats the difference between supporting Islamic clerical fascism and Zionist Fundamentalist Fascism?

Well they share one key similarity in that they don't exist. This practice of people referring to everything they don't like as "fascism" is really fucking tiresome.

 

[agricola]

Well they share one key similarity in that they don't exist. This practice of people referring to everything they don't like as "fascism" is really fucking tiresome.

Indeed - Fellaini has just been booked and misses both derbies now, fucking afro-beanpolist fascist. As is Moyes for not taking him off, ginger staring fascist bastard that he is, and that fascist bastardofascist ref.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Unradical...maybe, but certainly not non-partisan and not necessarily representative of Britain's Jewish community either...though they'd like to think that they are.

That's about the size of it with the BDBJ.

 

[nightbreed]

Indeed - Fellaini has just been booked and misses both derbies now, fucking afro-beanpolist fascist. As is Moyes for not taking him off, ginger staring fascist bastard that he is, and that fascist bastardofascist ref.

 

[belboid]

Er.....not all the left have this view of supporting Islamic clerics.

I'm unaware of ANYONE on the left who holds that position. it's bullshit

By the way whats the difference between supporting Islamic clerical fascism and Zionist Fundamentalist Fascism?

apart from the fact that neither of them are 'fascism'?

 

[belboid]

Well they share one key similarity in that they don't exist. This practice of people referring to everything they don't like as "fascism" is really fucking tiresome.

jesus, we agree!!!

 

[belboid]

'Manchester Palestine Solidarity Campaign are organising an Occupation of Albert Sq, outside of Manchesters Town Hall at 11 am on Sunday 11th January.

They are asking that people, Trade Unions, Peace Groups and Campaigns bring banners, leaflets and flags as they plan to take the whole square over.

It is also asked that people circulate this information.

Thank You

Palestine Solidarity Campaign Manchester '



This is on IUK, isn't it just asking for trouble, its opposing the big pro 'Isreal/peace for all' demo, of which unlike other on here i think some people not comfortable with STWC will attend. I have a lot of time for the PSC, especially my local one, but this may be a mistake.

dont be stupid, they're in rather different cities for one thing.

Other than you, I doubt anyone opposed to the israeli onslaught will consider attending the london demonstration, you're talking complete rubbish

 

[nightbreed]

I'm unaware of ANYONE on the left who holds that position. it's bullshit



apart from the fact that neither of them are 'fascism'?

I know. MC5 said it!!

 

[Fedayn]

The sad thing is a pissed off Israeli electorate (yup Israelis can vote for their govts unlike most of the govts surrounding them)

Which in the weird and wonderful world of Zachor and his racist allies is another reason to defend the continuing bombardment of Gaza and the slaughter of women and children. As in somehow a 'democracy' doing such a thing is morally defensible as opposed to a dictatorship doing the same. ie women and choildren in a democracy have a higher human worth than those in a dictatorship or some such.

may vote for someone who promises to do something about the continued violence being committed against them. That will not be good.

Given your continuing support for such a bombardment why will carrying on what you support be a bad thing?

 

[nino_savatte]

That's about the size of it with the BDBJ.

They're very conservative, no wonder Zachor approves.

 

[nino_savatte]

Islamic clerical fascism is a totalitarian ideology very similar to other ideologies such as Nazism and Stalinism. I don't consider myself a Zionist fundamentalist, a Zionist yes but I want see an Israel which is at peace with neighbours and is a Jewish state where all Jews from the secular and the religious can find a place if they so desire. Religious Zionist fundamentalists such as the settlers in Hevron and people like Moshe Feiglin I have no time for.

The sad thing is a pissed off Israeli electorate (yup Israelis can vote for their govts unlike most of the govts surrounding them) may vote for someone who promises to do something about the continued violence being committed against them. That will not be good.

Codswallop. Another example in which you attempt to stuff as many cliches as you can into a single post.

Your favourite words are all here:

Islamic clerical fascism (a variant on "Islamo-fascist"; it is interchangable).

totalitarian (this word was first coined by an American writer and doesn't ever appear without a supporting ideology. It is not an ideology in itself).

Nazism (usually employed to shut down debate and occasionallly deplyed as a means to smear anyone who doesn't share your ideology).

Stalinism (used similarly to the above).

My word for you:

Predictable (each post follows the same pattern: smears, inaccurate descriptions and a poor grasp of history which then lend themselves to the construction of certain narratives designed to flatter the Israelis).

 

[treelover]

Actually, there is also one in Manchester

dont be stupid, they're in rather different cities for one thing.

 

[CUMBRIANDRAGON]

They are just trying to exploit it for their own ends. Can't see them getting much support on the day and they might even be weeded out. Unlike the left who will quite happily line up with supporters of clerical fascism even though they would be the first against the wall if the clerical fascists ever got into any sort of power. It is instructive to remember what happened to the Iranian Communist Party who liked up with the clerical fascists to fight against the Shah. They were either jailed or murdered.

The anti Hamas and pro peace demonstrators do have to be careful who is trying to take advantage of this event but we don't need lectures from the left about choosing friends when they have sold their collective souls to Islamic clerical fascism.

not all the left has sold their collective souls to islamic fascism or zionist fascism

 

[imposs1904]

reminds me of one of my favourite lines from Tony Cliff

"You don't go and watch Wednesday v United and cheer for Barnsley, do you?"

Neither Wednesday, nor United but Barnsley

Works for me.

 

[trevhagl]

I see poor Zachor will be proudly marching alongside the fascists and other mad-war-loving peoples on Sunday, but what can the poor thing chant? there must be some goodies he can let rip from his powerful lungs.

"Kill more kids" "Death to Palestine" "Bombs not schools" are all starters, any more?

How about

"it's OUR holocaust now!"

 

[trevhagl]

Er.....not all the left have this view of supporting Islamic clerics.

By the way whats the difference between supporting Islamic clerical fascism and Zionist Fundamentalist Fascism?

Attila the Stockbroker is totally against the loons (he has a good rant on his Myspace site) and i know quite a few left wing people and not one has anything good to say about religious fundamentalism

anyone left wing out there who DOES?

 

[chilango]

Neither Wednesday, nor United but Barnsley

Works for me.

if you were a Barnsley fan why would you be at a Wednesday v United match anyway?

 

[imposs1904]

if you were a Barnsley fan why would you be at a Wednesday v United match anyway?

Cameraperson? ViP junket? Referee? Copper? Michael Parkinson?

Take your pick.

 

[belboid]

Actually, there is also one in Manchester

there is, tho it didnt seem to appear on the BoD site, hence my b
eing unaware of it. Tho as the same site also says they are opposing the recent 'pro-hamas' demonstrations, when there have been no such demonstrations, then the chances of anyone opposing israels onslaught wanting to go on it are minimal. Maybe you would, seeing as you want any excuse not to support the STWC/CND/BMI demo's, but no one else.

 

[belboid]

Cameraperson? ViP junket? Referee? Copper? Michael Parkinson?

Take your pick.

They would be being totally unprofessional, not to mention bloody stupid, if they actually cheered for Barnsley at such a match tho

 

[laptop]

Times gives nearly equal space (at the end, natch) to the counter-counter-rally:

Abraham Greenburg, 30, originally from Haifa but living in London for five years, burnt his passport as part of the protest. He said: “What the Zionists are doing is against God and against the Palestinian people. As an Israeli citizen I feel ashamed of what is happening.”

Rabbi El Hanan Beck of the Torah Utfilo Synagogue in Stamford Hill, North London said: “Jews have lived in peace in many Muslim countries - the most dangerous place for Jewish people today is the state of Israel. We have come here today to protest against Israel and the Zionist people.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5494750.ece

 

[durruti02]

^^^ be aware though that Rabbi Beck is from the ultra right wing and fundamentalist group Neturei Karta and had links with Patrick Harringtons in the 1990s

 

[laptop]

^^^ be aware though that Rabbi Beck is from the ultra right wing

They are ultra-right in what way?

and fundamentalist group Neturei Karta

Certainly they're fundamenatalist... in the sense of arguing that Zionism is contrary to the fundamentals of Judaism... and anti-worldly and anti-"Enlightenment"...

and had links with Patrick Harringtons in the 1990s

He did? Link? I've found him interviewed by Harrington in 1991: fucking stupid not to tell Harrington to fuck off, but what he actually said is straight-up theology and he resists Harrington's attempts to twist it.

 

[Zachor]

The pro peace rally was brilliant today. Fantastic. No hate filled chanting, no swastikas, no alphabet soup of trot groups selling papers, no clerical fascists. no misguided lefties saying 'we are all hamas' etc etc.

Dignified, peaceful and powerful.

 

[CUMBRIANDRAGON]

Attila the Stockbroker is totally against the loons (he has a good rant on his Myspace site) and i know quite a few left wing people and not one has anything good to say about religious fundamentalism

anyone left wing out there who DOES?

SWP ,Respect coalition, the old ANL

 

[CUMBRIANDRAGON]

The pro peace rally was brilliant today. Fantastic. No hate filled chanting, no swastikas, no alphabet soup of trot groups selling papers, no clerical fascists. no misguided lefties saying 'we are all hamas' etc etc.

Dignified, peaceful and powerful.

This is what hitler would of said. Bombing children is not peaceful .
Zionists are the new nazies

 

[nino_savatte]

The pro peace rally was brilliant today. Fantastic. No hate filled chanting, no swastikas, no alphabet soup of trot groups selling papers, no clerical fascists. no misguided lefties saying 'we are all hamas' etc etc.

Dignified, peaceful and powerful.

"Pro peace" rally? Peace for whom?

Remember, "war is peace" and "ignorance is strength".

 

[CUMBRIANDRAGON]

The pro peace rally was brilliant today. Fantastic. No hate filled chanting, no swastikas, no alphabet soup of trot groups selling papers, no clerical fascists. no misguided lefties saying 'we are all hamas' etc etc.

Dignified, peaceful and powerful.

Pro peace are you having a laugh.

 

[laptop]

They said the number of Israeli deaths should not be considered disproportionate to the number of Palestinian deaths, because Israelis were lucky and escaped their houses before they were hit by Palestinian rockets.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7822656.stm

Zachor, is that you?

 

[nightbreed]

The pro peace rally was brilliant today. Fantastic. No hate filled chanting, no swastikas, no alphabet soup of trot groups selling papers, no clerical fascists. no misguided lefties saying 'we are all hamas' etc etc.

Dignified, peaceful and powerful.

........and much, much smaller the yesterdays demo. Obviously not the prevailing point of view by the majority of conscious people in the uk.