Subforum - "party politics" - thoughts?

[the B]

The one about the recent upsurge in SWP themed threads being something to so with the appalling behaviour of some of their members - and that it could be calmed down for the good of the forum if those concerned retracted and apologised for accsuing others of racially motivated assault. Because, for one so concerned with the health of the forum you seem awfully quiet about something so damaging to the long term atmosphere.

An attempt to lower the tension without taking any drastic measures if you will.

I haven't read all of the posts on the matter, if the above is the case - yeah, I'd agree with you.

 

[ernestolynch]

I haven't read all of the posts on the matter, if the above is the case - yeah, I'd agree with you.

 

[the B]

Because, obviously, everyone has to read everything on the matter

 

[ernestolynch]

Because, obviously, everyone has to read everything on the matter

Well you could of course just make stuff up.

 

[the B]

Well you could of course just make stuff up.

I don't fancy emulating your fine lying self.

 

[ernestolynch]

I don't fancy emulating your fine lying self.

Evidence?

 

[the B]

Evidence?

Evidence I am the son of a diplomat from the Phillipines then?

 

[ernestolynch]

Evidence I am the son of a diplomat from the Phillipines then?

Evidence that you're not?

 

[rednblack]

Evidence I am the son of a diplomat from the Phillipines then?

i thought it was thailand?

 

[the B]

Evidence that you're not?

You're the one that made the accusation, chump.

If you really want some evidence, agree to a meet up and I'll bring proof of ID.

 

[the B]

i thought it was thailand?

According to Ernie that's probably icepick...or In Bloom

 

[rednblack]

i pretty much agree with butchers, i think it would be difficult to seperate the issues from the organisations involved - but i wouldnt have a massive problem with a seperate sub forum

howabout a forum for people to ask specific questions about general issues, with flaming or slagging banned, and a normal forum? dunno just thinking allowed

 

[rednblack]

According to Ernie that's probably icepick...or In Bloom

no, icepick is indian, and in bloom is a member of the nepalese royal family

 

[TeeJay]

I think that might be a welcome development. I visit the UKP forum relatively rarely because it appears to me to consist mostly of fighting about the SWP.

I recognise that's probably mostly a matter of perception...

It might be a matter of perception, but for some reason I happen to have exactly the same perception as you do.

I'd be in favour of just banning all discussion of the SWP full stop. Not really a viable idea I know, but I am just so sick of it, and it is such a fucking waste of time, energy and space, displacing all and any other discussion of actual UK politics and current affairs *in the real world*, that I feel that although it would be a drastic thing, it woiuld also be a 100% good thing.

 

[Pickman's model]

It might be a matter of perception, but for some reason I happen to have exactly the same perception as you do.

I'd be in favour of just banning all discussion of the SWP full stop. Not really a viable idea I know, but I am just so sick of it, and it is such a fucking waste of time, energy and space, displacing all and any other discussion of actual UK politics and current affairs *in the real world*, that I feel that although it would be a drastic thing, it woiuld also be a 100% good thing.

yeh, the true mark of a wanker! "i don't like it so let's ban people discussing it." fucking top.

 

[TeeJay]

I don't see why people should hijack a current affairs forum to talk about the SWP (As it happens I would also ban people from talking about football in the UK politics and current affairs forum).

Care to explain why they should be allowed to?

edit: For what its worth, I would be happy to have discussion about the Green Party (who I support) banished to a separate forum as well. I think it would only be permissably to mention any party in the context of an actual discussion about a real world issue or a discussion about genuine current affairs. Any thread that was primarily discussing a political party, purely discussing its policies, structures and internal business or a petty dispute with another specific organisation would be moved to the political parties/organistions thread - just as the mods already move threads that are posted in the wrong forum.

Do you object to the mods moving threads to the correct forum? Do you object to having forums that cover specific topics? Do you have a brain? etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't see why people should hijack a current affairs forum to talk about the SWP (As it happens I would also ban people from talking about football in the UK politics and current affairs forum).

Care to explain why they should be allowed to?

er... because the swp are a british organisation? and many people posting on urban have strong views of the swp? would you have the same problem were the threads about the labour party or the conservatives? again, i don't see why people should be banned from discussing *some* aspects of the beautiful game in uk p&ca as (you might agree) current affairs is not simply politics.

 

[nosos]

TeeJay

TeeJay wants to know why people should be allowed to talk about a UK political party in UK politics? God I love him.

 

[the B]

Maybe the worst thing of all is that by people discussing the SWP, we're actually somehow helping their entryist cause....

TeeJay, your argument has no legs to it. The SWP is a part of UK Politics, unlike football...

 

[TeeJay]

@nosos

Because it isn't engaging with public debate, it has no impact on people's lives, on public policy, on anything outside a tiny clique of power-mad egotists who have disappeared up their own arses...

...and because it has nothing to do with anything that could be remotely defined as "current affairs".

 

[butchersapron]

It might be a matter of perception, but for some reason I happen to have exactly the same perception as you do.

I'd be in favour of just banning all discussion of the SWP full stop. Not really a viable idea I know, but I am just so sick of it, and it is such a fucking waste of time, energy and space, displacing all and any other discussion of actual UK politics and current affairs *in the real world*, that I feel that although it would be a drastic thing, it woiuld also be a 100% good thing.

This is in no way even approaching being true - 33 threads on the first page - with only 5 of them being about the SWP - i do sometimes think people are happier with the myth.:

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[TeeJay]

...would you have the same problem were the threads about the labour party or the conservatives?...

Yes.

 

[TeeJay]

TeeJay wants to know why people should be allowed to talk about a UK political party in UK politics? God I love him.

I see you have developed the habit of edited your posts after someone has replied to the original. I didn't think you liked people doing that?

 

[butchersapron]

I see you have developed the habit of edited your posts after someone has replied to the original. I didn't think you liked people doing that?

Like you just did on post 76 you mean?

 

[nosos]

Because it isn't engaging with public debate, it has no impact on people's lives, on public policy, on anything outside a tiny clique of power-mad egotists who have disappeared up their own arses...

Which gets into the horribly difficult area of moderating 'appropriate' content not on the basis of sphere of discussion but on someone's ideas (yours?) of what is 'valid' and 'relavent'. Your criteria are so vague they could be used, in the right hands, to invalidate pretty much any contact.

So why can't we just settle on talking about UK politics in gasp UK politics?

 

[TeeJay]

er... because the swp are a british organisation? and many people posting on urban have strong views of the swp?...

I can think of tons of organisations that applies to. I think the idea of having a separate forum for the internal workings and in-fights of political parties and organisations is an excellent idea. If it is such an important topic for you then you should be pleased that it is being honoured with its very own forum.

 

[the B]

Like you just did on post 76 you mean?

I think he's referring to subtle edits that don't show up or aren't 'made obvious'.

Anyway, the point....SWP threads in UK P&P...

Including the RUC, there aren't actually that many SWP/RUC threads in UK P&P at the moment and haven't been for a bit...

It's a lot less focused on them since the RUC failed in the elections...

 

[nosos]

I see you have developed the habit of edited your posts after someone has replied to the original. I didn't think you liked people doing that?

What the fuck are you talking about? I edited it to make it directed at you because Pickman's had posted while I was writing.

Paranoid loony.

 

[butchersapron]

I can think of tons of organisations that applies to. I think the idea of having a separate forum for the internal workings and in-fights of political parties and organisations is an excellent idea. If it is such an important topic for you then you should be pleased that it is being honoured with its very own forum.

It already has one.

 

[the B]

I can think of tons of organisations that applies to. I think the idea of having a separate forum for the internal workings and in-fights of political parties and organisations is an excellent idea. If it is such an important topic for you then you should be pleased that it is being honoured with its very own forum.

This is somewhat different from what you said earlier, ie. a ban on discussing on the SWP.