Stupid Camera Questions Round 2 (Rolleiflex TLR)
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Vintage Paw
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btw - what did your armwaving camera shop man say? He's probably totally embarrassed that he fucked up. Twice. Is it a professional place, or just a little place.
afaik you can develop colour film in b/w chemicals but all you will be left with is a b/w image, as it will strip the colour emulsion off. But I was under the impression you can't do it the other way around because you'll get nothing.
I'm fairly sure this has been asked a couple of times on the various film flickr groups. Might be worth having a little hunt around there for some answers. They are all hardcore home developers, with a few professional ones who work in the trade for good measure.
afaik you can develop colour film in b/w chemicals but all you will be left with is a b/w image, as it will strip the colour emulsion off. But I was under the impression you can't do it the other way around because you'll get nothing.
I'm fairly sure this has been asked a couple of times on the various film flickr groups. Might be worth having a little hunt around there for some answers. They are all hardcore home developers, with a few professional ones who work in the trade for good measure.
Mostly point blank denial that film is meant to have numbers on the edge, followed by point blank denial that 120 film is meant to have numbers on the edge, followed, on production of evidence by myself, by claiming that the camera itself puts the numbers on.
I've got my prime suspect
"Delta"?
http://www.ilfordphoto.com/download.asp?n=18&f=20061301938422338.pdf
ask your lab what chemicals they are using?
yep sounds like a processing problem if the film is completely and utterly clear all over.
http://www.ilfordphoto.com/download.asp?n=18&f=20061301938422338.pdf
ask your lab what chemicals they are using?
yep sounds like a processing problem if the film is completely and utterly clear all over.
Vintage Paw said:I've never processed my own stuff so I'm not sure past handing a roll over and picking it up again all pretty and neat in bags
you dunt fancy trying B&W reversal with Delta 100 then then then?
http://www.ilfordphoto.com/download.asp?n=11&f=20061291034093.pdf
Vintage Paw
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From what you say sounds like the processing dude it talking out his arse hoping you don't know any better. Go in and tell him you've been in contact with Ilford customer services in the UK and spoken to one of their technical staff. Explain that their 120 film does indeed have numbers and film name exposed on the edges of the film during the creation process, and that only a mistake during development would cause them to disappear.
Then tell him he's a wanker and spit on him. Or something.
At the very least you should get a refund for the processing, although if he had anything about him he'd probably through in a couple of free rolls for the inconvenience too.
Then tell him he's a wanker and spit on him. Or something.
At the very least you should get a refund for the processing, although if he had anything about him he'd probably through in a couple of free rolls for the inconvenience too.
Vintage Paw
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boskysquelch said:you dunt fancy trying B&W reversal with Delta 100 then then then?
http://www.ilfordphoto.com/download.asp?n=11&f=20061291034093.pdf
Holy shit - normal b/w developing looks complicated enough to me
Selamlar
Print out the Delta pdf document from the link by Boskysquelch. Highlight the bit where it says
and demand not only your money back but also replacement films for the ones that have been developed all blank.
Sadly replacement films are all you can claim. Most labs have a self-protection policy limiting their liability for cock-ups to the cost of replacing the film. It will be in the fine print on their packaging when you get your film back. They do this to cover themselves against claims from professionals who may be seriously out of pocket after a blunder at the lab.
Perhaps try sending your film away to be processed by a well known company.
Print out the Delta pdf document from the link by Boskysquelch. Highlight the bit where it says
(my emphasis)
and demand not only your money back but also replacement films for the ones that have been developed all blank.
Sadly replacement films are all you can claim. Most labs have a self-protection policy limiting their liability for cock-ups to the cost of replacing the film. It will be in the fine print on their packaging when you get your film back. They do this to cover themselves against claims from professionals who may be seriously out of pocket after a blunder at the lab.
Perhaps try sending your film away to be processed by a well known company.
I know the problem. In my country if you want to get a Kodachrome 64 slide film processed you have to send it to an address in Switzerland where they in turn will send it to an address in America. Fortunately it is process paid.
My country is England.
My country is England.
Vintage Paw
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So, have you spoken to him yet? It's really annoying when you know someone has fucked up but they refuse to admit it.
Better late than never, I have got to the bottom of it! Its because Mr So-called-photography-usta had put the B+W film through a colour processor. Turns out he doesn't have a B+W Processor. Have now found somebody who does. In the mean time, first successful photos! (Not best photos in world, am just damn chuffed to have got it working!)
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Vintage Paw
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Ah, we all suspected as much.
Good picture quality - can't wait to see more of your shots
Good picture quality - can't wait to see more of your shots
I'm having trouble finding a B&W processor here in Granada. So, I've reverted to using C41 process B&W films. Pretty sure you can get Kodak CN professional range in 120. It's actually quite a nice film.
It does have it's disadvantages mind. It's made in a similar way to colour film with a Red (sensitive), Green and Blue emulsion. This can create a grainy photographs when used with colour filters. A red filter (for example) used to darken a blue sky will block out much of the blue and green light making the blue and green sensitive emulsions redundant and effectively giving a grainy and very contrasty single layer of red. It can be nice sometimes.
It does have it's disadvantages mind. It's made in a similar way to colour film with a Red (sensitive), Green and Blue emulsion. This can create a grainy photographs when used with colour filters. A red filter (for example) used to darken a blue sky will block out much of the blue and green light making the blue and green sensitive emulsions redundant and effectively giving a grainy and very contrasty single layer of red. It can be nice sometimes.
I have used chromogenic black and white film myself, Ilford XP2 and years ago the Agfa version. I associate them with having less grain. The particles of silver which create grain are removed in processing and replaced with brown dye. The dye is slightly light permeable which has the result of giving the film more exposure latitude - it transmits the enlarger light so that an 'overexposed' negative can be printed by increasing the exposure in the darkroom.
The nominal ISO of this variable exposure film is 400 but I found that if you rated it at 200 the negative gave a bit more density and it printed better- when printing it yourself.
The nominal ISO of this variable exposure film is 400 but I found that if you rated it at 200 the negative gave a bit more density and it printed better- when printing it yourself.
Hocus Eye. said:
Yes. In normal circumstances they're actually very good. It's only when used with colour filters the grain effect happens.
Hello Stanley
Are the filters normal colour compensation filters like a bit of pale yellow to darken the blue sky or are you using dense special effects filters in some unorthodox Totalist way?
Are the filters normal colour compensation filters like a bit of pale yellow to darken the blue sky or are you using dense special effects filters in some unorthodox Totalist way?
Hocus Eye. said:
Totally unorthodox dark red with a polariser. Did you expect anything other
Vintage Paw
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Not having experience of real b/w films I'm more than happy with the c-41 process ones. I tend to favour Kodak's, and yes it is available in 120.
cybertect said:Could make for interesting skies
I've used this technique for a few years now:
Old photo.
No PP/PhotoShop. Straight scan from contact print.
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