Stuckism

[Robster970]

Not if you know it's all bullshit to begin with and don't allow yourself to be moulded into yet another art student who ends up on the scrapheap of life doing something entirely detached from the idealistic aims they once had, and that's a hell of a lot of people. All of it is bullshit. You don't get anywhere trying to explain this opinion to the people attempting to mould you either - kinda why I gave up going tbh, well that and I used to 'test' the tutors by doing REALLY shit work, I'm talking blatantly shit and still getting the same praise for doing it, they were wasting my time.

I do know what you mean. At an end of show party I was at in the summer, we took down one of the pictures as it was in the way of the bass bins. I put it on a shelf in another room, next to one of those UV fly killers, way out of the way of getting trashed now it was down. I was talking to a senior art lecturer later in the evening who was criticising the photography for being too simplistic but particularly liked the installation of the picture on the shelf next to the UV fly murderer. I just smiled and kept quiet.

 

[pengaleng]

hmm ok

hmm ok....

 

[pengaleng]

I do know what you mean. At an end of show party I was at in the summer, we took down one of the pictures as it was in the way of the bass bins. I put it on a shelf in another room, next to one of those UV fly killers, way out of the way of getting trashed now it was down. I was talking to a senior art lecturer later in the evening who was criticising the photography for being too simplistic but particularly liked the installation of the picture on the shelf next to the UV fly murderer. I just smiled and kept quiet.

see, I don't know how they are supposed to be able to mentor you when they just don't have a fucking clue themselves most of the time.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

It seems to me, speaking as a complete outsider who does stuff to please and entertain myself, that people involved in any way with art as a profession have a terrible burden of obligatory novelty. Because most of the stuff that might appeal to humans has been done, they need to do something else and to seek the reinforcement of a community of some kind to tell them they did it right, otherwise they'd just be lost in a void.

So you get contemporary art movements as a epiphenomenon of the art business.

 

[zenie]

hmm ok....

The point is 'is it all bullshit?'

The 'what is art' question is something that goes round and round and round in circles and who's to say who is right or wrong.

Stuckists believe post-modernists are wrong and post-modernists believe Stuckists are wrong.

What were your tutors like at your art college and what background did they have?

 

[zenie]

I do know what you mean. At an end of show party I was at in the summer, we took down one of the pictures as it was in the way of the bass bins. I put it on a shelf in another room, next to one of those UV fly killers, way out of the way of getting trashed now it was down. I was talking to a senior art lecturer later in the evening who was criticising the photography for being too simplistic but particularly liked the installation of the picture on the shelf next to the UV fly murderer. I just smiled and kept quiet.

'Accidental Art'

Maybe he 'got more' out of the concept of it than the craft and that's what I'm talking about!!

 

[TommyCheesecake]

Problems arise when people want intellectualise it through conceptualisation

 

[zenie]

Problems arise when people want intellectualise it through conceptualisation

eh??

'it'??

Art in general or Stuckism/Neo-modernism?

Welcome btw

 

[pengaleng]

The point is 'is it all bullshit?'

The 'what is art' question is something that goes round and round and round in circles and who's to say who is right or wrong.

Stuckists believe post-modernists are wrong and post-modernists believe Stuckists are wrong.

What were your tutors like at your art college and what background did they have?

I'm not talking about 'what is art' though am I? I'm talking about some of the poncey and quite hilarious 'bullshitting' there is surrounding explaining these things called 'concepts'. People seem to have become so 'stuck up' - for want of a better term, about explaining their work and placing too much emphasis on deeper meanings that some of the most basic things are forgotten, people don't look at a piece anymore and make their own minds up, it's there written on the wall next to it, and hey, if the writing says that's what it means that's all it is, there are no organic thoughts.

I'm not sure how explaining to you what my art tutors were like is relevant.

 

[zenie]

I'm not talking about 'what is art' though am I? I'm talking about some of the poncey and quite hilarious 'bullshitting' there is surrounding explaining these things called 'concepts'. People seem to have become so 'stuck up' - for want of a better term, about explaining their work and placing too much emphasis on deeper meanings that some of the most basic things are forgotten, people don't look at a piece anymore and make their own minds up, it's there written on the wall next to it, and hey, if the writing says that's what it means that's all it is, there are no organic thoughts.

I'm not sure how explaining to you what my art tutors were like is relevant.

Right ok you said 'all of it is bullshit' do you just mean any kind of conceptualism then?

It was only a question about what backgrounds your tutors had

Most of my tutors were old, were quite radical in their day but held firm beliefs with fine art media, concepts had to come into it because people want to hear why.

<edit> I dont know how old you were when you studied art (or if you did or where or anything) but it does 'mould you' in a certain way whether you like it or not IME It's a natural thing. Suggestion is a powerful tool <end edit>

Even doing pitches within graphic design clients want to know why a logo has been designed in a certain way so you bullshit and make the concept up after you've done it

Ermm yeh Stuckism anyone??

 

[pengaleng]

Right ok you said 'all of it is bullshit' do you just mean any kind of conceptualism then?

err... that's what the threads about isn't it?

It was only a question about what backgrounds your tutors had

Yes, but the thing is these aren't my tutors opinions are they? They are my opinions which is why I don't see how explaining what they were like is relevant.

Most of my tutors were old, were quite radical in their day but held firm beliefs with fine art media, concepts had to come into it because people want to hear why.

People do want to find out why, but it's not the be all and end all. Art movements often come pre-packaged with a concept and that allows people to label them as X Y or Z; in this case stuckism. If they don't then people are only too eager to put a concept behind it on behalf of the artist.

<edit> I dont know how old you were when you studied art (or if you did or where or anything) but it does 'mould you' in a certain way whether you like it or not IME It's a natural thing. Suggestion is a powerful tool <end edit>

It's a natural thing to expand on your own ideas in your own way, not have some tutor sit you down and tell you 'you could do this, or this, or this' many people on my courses saw this as an easy way out of having to think ie: do what the tutor suggests and you'll pass, it's as easy as that, no conflict, no being told you are wrong for not thinking as they do etc...

Even doing pitches within graphic design clients want to know why a logo has been designed in a certain way so you bullshit and make the concept up after you've done it

Fulfilling a brief should not be confused with a concept. I'm not saying there is no elements of concept in it but it is not the same as conceptulisation in art it is a certain set of criteria rather than something abstract.

 

[zenie]

So getting back OT....is anyone 'moved' by any of the Stuckist's work?

What do people think of 'Stuckist Photography'?

 

[Flavour]

I'm writing a manifesto

 

[Stanley Edwards]

where's your manifesto?

A very simple one liner:

Totalism is everything. Totally non-exclusive. Totally for everyone.

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Stuckism photography It's a bit like all the other past movements that intially shunned photography as an artists medium and then changed their minds ten years after coming up with their original manifesto.

 

[zenie]

Stuckism photography It's a bit like all the other past movements that intially shunned photography as an artists medium and then changed their minds ten years after coming up with their original manifesto.

It's a real weird one that's for sure!

I mean according to the manifesto most photography would/should be stuckist anyway.

Concepts within photography are not the same as conceptualism.

But do you have 'conceptual' photography?

 

[boskysquelch]

But do you have 'conceptual' photography?

fkkk yeeeeeeeeeeeah!!!!1(Team America Styleeeee)...you, personally, have wanked over it recently..go see?

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Totalism is all bollocks... was invented and rejected,due to lack of interest and obvious manifest(sic) flaws, in 1983 btw...but it was called Lezardism and brought about at Harrogate College of Arts, Victoria Avenue building...jus so ya knows like.

 

[zenie]

fkkk yeeeeeeeeeeeah!!!!1(Team America Styleeeee)...you, personally, have wanked over it recently..go see?

Have I?

Who?

 

[boskysquelch]

Have I?

Who?

That US dickwad that does film set stlyle twilight poop?

I guess for proper purist concept photography look at LaChappelle...noncy stuff would be that bird that does herself all the time...Cindy Sherman?...and then there is that Totty...who had a masectomy...did the Selfridges thingy...looks like a bolemic_svelte_whippet...Miller?

 

[pengaleng]

Cindy Sherman?...

I quite like her atchulllly

 

[boskysquelch]

I quite like her atchulllly

she personally leaves me cold..I've tried...

but as a genre I find her influence interesting.. http://www.mollylesher.com/

 

[pengaleng]

she personally leaves me cold..I've tried...

I think it's the whole self portrait thing and dressing as different 'personas' that does it for me, 'chameleonism' lol like the madonna image thing but a bit cooler because madonna is a skank.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

a certain poet who often does offline is a stuckist.

not my cup of tea though

He's a lovely bloke all the same.....

 

[zenie]

and then there is that Totty...who had a masectomy...did the Selfridges thingy...looks like a bolemic_svelte_whippet...Miller?

Turner prize nominee from a few years ago?

 

[boskysquelch]

Turner prize nominee from a few years ago?

who hasn't been?

 

[pengaleng]

fuck yous! firky just won his bet that the turner prize would be mentioned... I owe him 50p now

 

[Firky]

came across this photo ages ago n bookmakred no idea who he is but I like this photo

http://www.pbase.com/timbg/image/52551577

lol i forgot about that bet

 

[boohoo]

right...with the way art and design are heading, the majority of people achieving success will be the ones with money or the ones who can generate enough press by whatever means necessary. Art has become more about the verbal bullshit surrounding it than the actual craft skills of drawing, sculpting, painting, etc,etc... Is there anything that an artist can do that will move or shock people into some kind of reaction or are we all far too intune with the way we can be manipulated by 'artists'?

Now if you like manifestos, look up the Italian futurists...

 

[boskysquelch]

fuck yous! firky just won his bet that the turner prize would be mentioned... I owe him 50p now

... can I now mention that fact that the Stuckist's are less than a bottled parp of Emin's bott_bott?

I AM empathetic but dissapointed with the delivery, given the wind They sped forth from...

 

[Firky]

Now if you like manifestos, look up the Italian futurists...

art noise makers

luigi something or another

 

[zenie]

who hasn't been?

Is she the right one I’m thinking of though?

I cant for the life of me put ,my finger on her name, (which I think was doouble barreled) did a big thing about her cancer and her masectomy, lesbian grrr what is it??