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JHE said:
Very good...
Strategy and tactics
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Very good...
Divisive Cotton
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Attica said:
Are you being serious?
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Divisive Cotton said:
There is no serious discussion - that much is obvious. What there is, is informal, piecemeal, and does not develop. There would be more conferences with developing positions if there was serious discussion of strategy and tactics. For example, one I saw at the bookfair was left very unfinished and polarised, with people content with their faction. Here I am thinking about those who were promoting how great Gleaneagles 2005 was, any criticism of them falling short of a political programme that can engage 'ordinary people' was taken as criticism of their entire approach. Here I repeat an earlier observation of mine - the Anarchist Bookfair functions INSTEAD of politics
We need an annual weekend, prefereably 2, at least of conferenceing and politics to go anywhere strategically and tactically beyond our current endeavors. Here, I think EVERYONE needs to step outside their comfort zone and politic, not as a one off, but continually for years...As an observation look at the non - existent debate about anti prison strategy I have started on this forum. There's no serious discussion...
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Bumping time - well the months are passing and still no interesting politics/conference/stategy/tactics meetings are organised. The movement appears to like its ruts and keeps on keeping on, grinding at best.
The only interesting thinkers at the minute appear to be the new Praxis bunch up in Scotland - I am not counting the Turbulance crew because their theory was abstract and could have been located anywhere. Certainly I saw no praxis
based in the UK. I agree Ian Bone is getting out there and has persuaded Class War to do something for the first time in 15 years but I am not counting that here cos it's not new.
The only interesting thinkers at the minute appear to be the new Praxis bunch up in Scotland - I am not counting the Turbulance crew because their theory was abstract and could have been located anywhere. Certainly I saw no praxis
based in the UK. I agree Ian Bone is getting out there and has persuaded Class War to do something for the first time in 15 years but I am not counting that here cos it's not new.Some anarchists in Cardiff have set up a reading/study group around alternatives to capitalism that reads texts and discusses tactics/strategy/vision with a view to creating a functioning anarchist organisation in S Wales that is more permanent, accessible, and effective than the loose 'networks of like-minded individuals' setup we've got here at the moment.
Just starting out like, but we've been reading stuff like the Platform, Malatesta, Bookchin, Albert, and Turbulence.
I'll take a look at some of the links you've posted on here Attica and take them to the group. Looks like some good stuff.
We're doing this alongside our existing political activities (putting out the gagged newsletter, being involved with anti-militarism campaigns, no-borders, climate camp stuff, social centre, etc), so we can't devote loads of time to it, but we think it's important. We're still in the spong stage at the moment, soaking up and discussing a range of theories and strategies.
Just starting out like, but we've been reading stuff like the Platform, Malatesta, Bookchin, Albert, and Turbulence.
I'll take a look at some of the links you've posted on here Attica and take them to the group. Looks like some good stuff.
We're doing this alongside our existing political activities (putting out the gagged newsletter, being involved with anti-militarism campaigns, no-borders, climate camp stuff, social centre, etc), so we can't devote loads of time to it, but we think it's important. We're still in the spong stage at the moment, soaking up and discussing a range of theories and strategies.
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llantwit said:
Good one Llantwit - looks like you and your pals are doing their bit. Where's everybody else though? I like this myself, it's time we focused on resistance in this country some more - http://raw-rap.com/e107/news.php
Certainly the national groups are not going to make the running cos they propose nowt and do nowt other than talking amongst themselves. That is the lesson of their lack of theory and practice.
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DO fuk off knobhead. Since when have you put out any propaganda at all. You haven't got a clue about populism.mk12 said:
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I'm glad it hurtmk12 said:
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
This is the same sort of stuff TBH posts and regularlly when he was last seen. Are there any particular stratergies or tactics you think need discussing?
I think anarchos constantly need to address the answer why our movement is weak, but I think Ive come to a sensible conclusion....
I think anarchos constantly need to address the answer why our movement is weak, but I think Ive come to a sensible conclusion....
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october_lost said:
Is it because they do not go beyond ultra leftism? One look at Libcom would think that because they are in discussion with the 57 varieties of ultra leftists. The only thing to do with the ICC is ignore them (you could do worse and I wouldn't be bothered but I'll be polite here) and they are in discussion with them. All of that INSTEAD of politics and praxis if you ask me, there is no serious attempt to develop theory and practice in any area, there are no conferences, next to no publications.
OK, Mute is good, so is Upping the Anti from Autonomy and Solidarity, and The Northeastern anarchist (last two from N America) but we need more of this not the theoretically barren British anarchist organisations who do not produce anything very worthwhile between them
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chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
Actually, with regards to 'tactics and strategy' is came a cross a slogan recently which i think pretty much summed up everything that needs said IMO with regards to what @s in the UK need to get to grips with if they're ever to do anything of use:
"Act Locally, Fuck Globally"
"Act Locally, Fuck Globally"
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chico enrico said:Actually, with regards to 'tactics and strategy' is came a cross a slogan recently which i think pretty much summed up everything that needs said IMO with regards to what @s in the UK need to get to grips with if they're ever to do anything of use:
"Act Locally, Fuck Globally"
Clearly you're not aware of what a big international fuck-fest modern anarchism actually is.
Attica said:" builds alliances and (popular) fronts"
OOh! Is this like. The peoples front of Judea or the Judean's people front or the Popular peoples front of Judea or the Judean's popular peoples front as featured in the Monty Python film, The life of Brian. Can I join pleeeze.Oh I cant I'm a member of S.P.E.W who have so many alliances I couldn't build anymore my head would explode.
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No. it's about new politics.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Tbh, from what I've seen and read you all need to sit down with a copy of Sun Tzu's 'Art Of War' and actually gain some understanding of how to fight to win...
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Heh I remember once suggesting exactly that once at a May Day meeting to which I got a horrified look. I went on to say that each affinity group should have a commander linked via mobile to all the other commanders, decisions could be made quickly and in real time to outflank the police.kyser_soze said:
I think they thought I was mad but it’s a better fucking plan than stand around until the police form a circle round you…
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Two consecutive reasons for, oh fuck it....
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kyser_soze said:
I did that back in the 90's - there's a lot out there that could be of use.
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Kid_Eternity said:
The above was done in a libertarian manner on J18 - it can again be done. But do not expect us to tell you when
Kid_Eternity
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Attica said:The above was done in a libertarian manner on J18 - it can again be done. But do not expect us to tell you when
Yeah? Well its easy to have rotating leadership, or draw straws for each action (discounting the commander in the last one)...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Sounds great.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
butchersapron said:
Yeah it is, better than standing around shouting "move people the police are surrounding us" then no cunt listening...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Because that's the only options. You playing plastic paddick or getting kettled.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
butchersapron said:
I never said they are the only option Mr Obtuse, just that one has a good chance of stopping the other.
Besides, I thought this thread was about strategy and tactics? Or is it about strategy/tactics YOU approve of?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
At what cost? Little paddicks with an earpiece?
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Now now. We are trying to go beyond ad hominem attacks
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