Strategy and tactics

[The Black Hand]

There seems to be no debate about strategy and tactics amongst our movement (apart from slagging individual events which doesn't get to the heart of the issue) - certainly not publically, which is where it needs to be if we are honest.

This is the basis of what we do in struggle after all. To start with I thought I'd chip in this document because it recognises the complexity of what we are trying to achieve;

http://www.fdca.it/fdcaen/organization/theory/acqoc/5-2.htm

 

[bluestreak]

ooooh work avoidance materials! i bet i won't have anything useful to offer when i'm done though...

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Oooh, an unreadable document.

 

[The Black Hand]

Oooh, an unreadable document.

I think it is a simple document to read for grown ups. There is no complicated theory like some authors, and instead it's very 'real world'.

 

[Squatticus]

Quote from document:

"The emancipation of the workers will be at the hands of the workers themselves" is not simply a slogan for Anarchist Communists, as it is for Marxists - it is a profound conviction.

Ah so when you say it its sincere, when we say it we're fibbing...

 

[Squatticus]

Another quote:

Revolutionary Syndicalists hold that class consciousness is born spontaneously and gradually among the masses, the more they engage in the clash with capitalism.

That's OK, you can put your feet up then.

 

[The Black Hand]

Another quote:

Revolutionary Syndicalists hold that class consciousness is born spontaneously and gradually among the masses, the more they engage in the clash with capitalism.

That's OK, you can put your feet up then.

That's not the message of the document though.

 

[JoeBlack]

Another quote:

Revolutionary Syndicalists hold that class consciousness is born spontaneously and gradually among the masses, the more they engage in the clash with capitalism.

That's OK, you can put your feet up then.

Dead give away that you scanned it looking for bits you disagreed with.

Mupppet!

 

[cutandsplice]

Oooh, an unreadable document.

No, that would be anything by John Rees or Alex Callinicos.

 

[free spirit]

tell you what attica, if you want a tactic that is guaranteed to alienate 99.9% of the population you could try disseminating a load of meaningless academic drivel that has fuck all relevance to anyone's lives

 

[The Black Hand]

tell you what attica, if you want a tactic that is guaranteed to alienate 99.9% of the population you could try disseminating a load of meaningless academic drivel that has fuck all relevance to anyone's lives

Well you should stop doing it then.

 

[The Black Hand]

Oooh, an unreadable document.

What do you think of this one then, I think this is very good ;

http://www.fdca.it/fdcaen/organization/theory/acqoc/5-6.htm

It's important to understand the differences between what strategy is, and at what level, and what tactics are.

Also instructive for the UK situation is the appreciation of serious alliance building. THe FdCA recognise that in the long term of course what we want is different to other political ideas. However, around the bread and butter issues which form the realistic gradualism of the approach, so it is easy to be part of the class (rather than outside it and irrelevant as some anarchists prefer unfortunately), the FcDA builds alliances and (popular) fronts.

The entire British anarchist movement has been particularly poor at forming alliances, in fact they haven't even tried so its not that they are poor, but they are shite!!

This is an organisation I could join.

 

[lights.out.london]

"Organizational Dualism" - ERK!

"It is commonly said within the Anarchist movement that there is a close link between the means of the struggle and its ends."

- double ERK!

And therein lies the problem with Anarchist Communism.

 

[The Black Hand]

"Organizational Dualism" - ERK!

"It is commonly said within the Anarchist movement that there is a close link between the means of the struggle and its ends."

- double ERK!

And therein lies the problem with Anarchist Communism.

Please explain.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

What do you think of this one then, I think this is very good

I think it suffers from the same problems of layout and interminability as the previous one.

 

[Idaho]

Well I have never heard of any of these organisations - which suggests you are rubbish. I mean I've heard of charities with a staff of under 100. I've heard of micro-celebrities with no discernable talent. This suggests to me that you are happy in your subculture and couldn't really give a toss about the outside world.

 

[The Black Hand]

Well I have never heard of any of these organisations - which suggests you are rubbish. I mean I've heard of charities with a staff of under 100. I've heard of micro-celebrities with no discernable talent. This suggests to me that you are happy in your subculture and couldn't really give a toss about the outside world.

Big deal - you look at the TV. A working class perspective for itself and against the status quo is somewhat different...

 

[Idaho]

Are you not a political movement? Or do you just produce such tracts for your own nodding, chin-scratching pleasure? How do you measure your success?

 

[fractionMan]

Sentences like this:

It is clear that Individualists recognize no role for the movement of the exploited who are seen as a humble flock of individuals unworthy of any personal realization as they have no ambitions

make me stop reading. It's more a jumble of words than a sentence.

 

[lights.out.london]

Please explain.

"Organisational dualism".

Was that thought-up by committee?

How can any kind of anarchist philosophy admit organisational anything let alone somekind of dualism? The whole thing collapses. Or is this describing the way an individual collective relates to other collectives? Viz a collective of, erm, collectives? Lol.

Confused? I am now! I don't see a huge amount of difference between this and Libertarianism/Bob Black/Municiplism?

 

[The Black Hand]

Are you not a political movement? Or do you just produce such tracts for your own nodding, chin-scratching pleasure? How do you measure your success?

The article is in English from Italy - you are asking for threads in their own right, so I am not answering here.

This thread should be about strategy and tactics for UK, which of course involves theory from other places...

 

[The Black Hand]

Sentences like this:

make me stop reading. It's more a jumble of words than a sentence.

Some respect please - it is an Italian paper...

 

[The Black Hand]

"Organisational dualism".

Was that thought-up by committee?

How can any kind of anarchist philosophy admit organisational anything let alone somekind of dualism? The whole thing collapses. Or is this describing the way an individual collective relates to other collectives? Viz a collective of, erm, collectives? Lol.

Confused? I am now! I don't see a huge amount of difference between this and Libertarianism/Bob Black/Municiplism?

Anarchism has been collective for a long long time...

 

[lights.out.london]

^ er. I got that. Lol. I'm talking about the either meaningless expression/ label "Organisational Dualism" or it's collapse.

If the term has any real meaning, it's contradictory within the context you/the document is using it.

 

[The Black Hand]

^ er. I got that. Lol. I'm talking about the either meaningless expression/ label "Organisational Dualism" or it's collapse.

If the term has any real meaning, it's contradictory within the context you/the document is using it.

It is talking about a strategy which goes beyond the party form, in that sense it is talking about 2 things, hence 'Organisational dualism'. It probably makes more sense (to you) in Italian, its good enough for me to understand what they mean..

 

[The Black Hand]

Here's Gramsci on the war of position and the war of manouvre;
http://marxists.org/archive/gramsci/prison_notebooks/reader/q13-24.htm

 

[The Black Hand]

A good book on strategy?

http://www.monthlyreview.org/pomoprince.htm

 

[The Black Hand]

Here's an article that goes to the core of part of my argument - ANARCHISM: IDEOLOGY OR METHODOLOGY?
http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/practice/sp001689.html

Rather than adhere to a Platform written as an 'How could we have done it better' response to anarchist failure during the Russian revolution - we desperately need NEW thinking/practice/method...


Here's another article from USA that looks a bit interesting - Broadening the anarchist gene pool: two concerns for the future of anarchist practice
by Joseph Heathcott (nee Average);

http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/practice/sp001858.html

 

[The Black Hand]

Those at the FcDA in Italy sure are on the ball;

http://www.fdca.it/fdcaen/

 

[JHE]

Those at the FcDA in Italy sure are on the ball;

http://www.fdca.it/fdcaen/

How are they on praxis and new logic?