Stop War On Iran

[fela fan]

As opposed to the blogs and conspiraloon theories that people like you post up...

That's strange again jaed. You really have a problem don't you. I don't even know one blog, and nor do i ever post up any kind of conspiracy theory, which is what i assume you mean with that highly connotative word you have used.

People like me eh? Good ol british pigeon-holing going on there, nice and easy does it, give em a name and then we know everything about em.

Yer a propagandist's dream jaed.

 

[fela fan]

Fela: Biggest violators worldwide of Human Rights is the US." that is crazy. All nations the US included have real issues. However, saying the US is worse than North Korea is ludicrous.

Of course they're worse. Far worse. Worse than n korea, worse than burma, worse than saudi, the worst. By just about any index of measurement you wish to use. And, do note the term being used here: 'human rights'.

 

[Demosthenes]

Jaed: "We should then go after nations with the most records of abuse..." Um, no. The concept behind Iran is that of nuclear threat. The abuses are just icing on the cake, making that dung cake more palatable.

Fela: Biggest violators worldwide of Human Rights is the US." that is crazy. All nations the US included have real issues. However, saying the US is worse than North Korea is ludicrous.

"US and UK are coirrupt nuclear nations." And both are democratic with loads of checks and balances. Bit of a difference.

Demosthenes: "The Us wants to play arbiter..." Hardly, as I have stated its aim is to prevent destabilsation of petrol reserves . The biggest threat would clkearly be nuclear weapons in the hands of religiously inspired meglomaniacs.The Human Rights issue is just an added bonus that makes selling this action alot easier.

"Many in the West are imprisoned for drug crimes..." Many more in Iran. It has the highest per capita rate of opiate addiction in the world. While it is making some unbelivable progrss, as in providing methadone for addicts, as opposed to executing them as it did in the veary early 80s, it is still behind the West so check that one off as wrong.

"Maybe we should invade the US and liberate the brothers ,": When America locks and loads some warheads over Tom and Jerry, by all means.

"Minding its buisness will save the US alot of money." Not at all. It would actually destroy America when it loses its access to petrol.

Invisible: Resolution need to scome soon after 60 years.": Resolution has been in the hands since 1919, 29 years before your 60 years began.

But in practice, although we ahve the form of democracy, we're not really any more democratic than Iran. As I said above in more detail.

Whose oil reserves are they anyway?

And I more or less disagree with everything you've said above.

 

[jæd]

That's strange again jaed. You really have a problem don't you. I don't even know one blog, and nor do i ever post up any kind of conspiracy theory, which is what i assume you mean with that highly connotative word you have used.

Ho-hum...

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=219627&page=18&highlight=conspiraloon+fela+fan

And in the past you've posted up links to blogs, so that would be you being "wrong" on two counts...

 

[jæd]

Of course they're worse. Far worse. Worse than n korea, worse than burma, worse than saudi, the worst. By just about any index of measurement you wish to use. And, do note the term being used here: 'human rights'.

Yawn... Go on then. Post up specific examples of human rights violations by the US that are worse than North Korea, Burma, etc...

Any examples of the US systematic starving its population...? Any examples of US clergy being rounded up and imprisoned + tortured...? How many Americans get shot if they decide they want to go to Canada...?

 

[JoePolitix]

I wonder if I can detect some space in between "doing nothing" and "bombing and invading those countries which happen to resist Washington's demands rather than follow them"?

I think you're using the wrong dictionary Donna:

http://decentpedia.blogspot.com/2007/08/appeasement.html

 

[fela fan]

Yawn... Go on then. Post up specific examples of human rights violations by the US that are worse than North Korea, Burma, etc...

I'll give you just one example for now, there are dozens more, but hopefully just the one will expose your own folly to your own self, although i won't be counting my breath.

Human rights violations in vietnam: anywhere between one and two million vietnamese citizens murdered by US forces on behalf of their political leaders who unleashed this hell on a peaceful nation. As for all the chemicals they left behind fucking up the countryside and crops, and all the deformed people who didn't actually die, we can see that in this one example, the US were responsible for the most appalling human rights violations.

Or are only americans in america potential victims of their political leaders who dish out the human rights abuses? Perhaps the vietnamese people were not humans jaed?

 

[jæd]

I'll give you just one example for now, there are dozens more, but hopefully just the one will expose your own folly to your own self, although i won't be counting my breath.

Human rights violations in vietnam: anywhere between one and two million vietnamese citizens murdered by US forces on behalf of their political leaders who unleashed this hell on a peaceful nation.

The "peaceful nation"...? Are we talking about the same period of history and the same region...? 'Cos unlike in Fela-land, the Vietnam region in the '60s wasn't "peaceful"...

Yawn... Back to the argument that all countries should stick their heads in the mud, and back to Peoples Weed for Fela...

 

[nino_savatte]

the Vietnam region in the '60s wasn't "peaceful"...

And why was that, jaed?

 

[lobster]

Muslims have 57 nations. Arabs have 32 not including the PA Lands. Why then do people feel that Jews should give up their legal national homeland? IS the proposed nation of "Palestine" not larghe enough to accomodate the Arabs? No, the idea behind it is merely subjugation of Jews, plain and simple.

We have 1 tiny nation, and yet we are still and have always been willing to give most of our tradional tribal homelands (Yehudah/Judah and Shomron/Samaria) to Arabs so they can create yet another nation...and do so over the bones of our ancestors.

That is a point worth mentioning, why can't any of those 57 or 32 states help the Palestinians? Of course the immediate counter-argument would be , Palestinians have lived where they are now for a long time so why should they have to be forced to move? Its a question with too many possibilities.

 

[fela fan]

The "peaceful nation"...? Are we talking about the same period of history and the same region...? 'Cos unlike in Fela-land, the Vietnam region in the '60s wasn't "peaceful"...

Yawn... Back to the argument that all countries should stick their heads in the mud, and back to Peoples Weed for Fela...

Hey you fucking wanker. You're not for real. You're insincere. Yer obviously an internet git who has problems. I've done my best to engage with you due to my inherent politeness, but no more. And if you get a kick out of my reply here, then enjoy it.

Fuck off tosser. The fucking shite you write. If you wish to defend genocidal killer due to your naiveity, so be it. It's impossible to hold any kind of dialogue with you without your childish references to dope.

Fuck off tosser, and don't speak to me any more. If you do, you waste yet more of your pathetic life.

Ps, and yes, i know your sort, you'll be doing all you can to get a rise out of me, coz that's how you get your pathetic kicks in life. If i'm wrong, don't say another fucking word to me, go pester other folk. But if i'm right, then go on, attempt to speak to me.

Tosser.

 

[jæd]

Hey you fucking wanker. You're not for real. You're insincere. Yer obviously an internet git who has problems. I've done my best to engage with you due to my inherent politeness, but no more. And if you get a kick out of my reply here, then enjoy it.

Fuck off tosser. The fucking shite you write. If you wish to defend genocidal killer due to your naiveity, so be it. It's impossible to hold any kind of dialogue with you without your childish references to dope.

Fuck off tosser, and don't speak to me any more. If you do, you waste yet more of your pathetic life.

Ps, and yes, i know your sort, you'll be doing all you can to get a rise out of me, coz that's how you get your pathetic kicks in life. If i'm wrong, don't say another fucking word to me, go pester other folk. But if i'm right, then go on, attempt to speak to me.

Tosser.

Good to see that Fela's keeping a grip on things...! Obviously, if anyone else can back up the "defend genocidal killer" claims I'd be happy to see them. Of course Bush & Co might be up to some bad things, but I'd be interested in a actual American genocides. (Apart from the Indians)

 

[rachamim18]

Fela: You have no idea what you are talking about. You are not beten into a coma in the US even for having heroin. Have a bottle of Johnny Walker in Riyadh and watch what happens, in broad daylight in front of a mob, as they drag you from your home. No warrant needed mind you.

Worse than N Korea? Yeah, cause I mean no America is allowed to trvel, or to live in any city they want. To live in the N Korean capital you need a special permit. Internet access is death, as are a range of other "crimes."

I can go on and on.

"Indexes." There ARE official indexes and not one ranks N Korea, Arabia, or Burma./Mynammar above the US.

"Viet Nam shows the Us is worse." You are confusing Foreign Policy with Domosetic Issues. Iran is being called on to adress internal issues , thus noone cano accuse them of violating the rights of people outside the country. In making your argument , it makes no sense to adress a Foreign Policy issue from almost 40 years ago.

Lobster: "Why should 'Palestinians' be asked to move." Well here is the thing...Jordan was created out of 80% of land alloted to Arabs for an independant nation in what was the British Mandate. Jordan is led by a family directly from Hejaz, without any connection to that immediate region.

The only "Palestinians" that have to move are those claiming land within Israel's Greenline. Those Arabs have to move ON.

All those nations I talked about and yet the Jews have but ne tiny spit of land. Even that is being claimed by Arabs because they say any land they CONQUERED is forevermore Islamic. IS that fair to Israel? the point being that they have ALL THOSE NATIONS. If they do not want to set up shop in Gaza/"WB," than that is their problem but they are dreaming if they imagine Israel will allow 2 million more Arabs who oppose Israel's very existence to just move in and vote Israel out of existence than they are more deluded than most people normally think.


Demosthenes: "We are not more democratic." Does your nation limit representation to just one delegate IF a minority? Are ALL candiadtes subject to overall approval of a religious clergy?

"Oil Reserves." You do not know about Iran's petrol industry? The Caspian region is one of the leading producers in the world.

"Disagrees with what Rahcamim says." No problem, that is of course your right but you have not disputed it with facts.

 

[editor]

...fucking wanker...internet git...Fuck off tosser...fucking shite...Fuck off tosser...pathetic life.... Tosser.

Any chance of cranking your over excited abuse-o-meter down a smidgen?

 

[fela fan]

Any chance of cranking your over excited abuse-o-meter down a smidgen?

Since i've done about three posts like than in nearly 12,000 over five years, you ought to realise there's really no need to speak to me on the matter. I thought twice about writing it, but it was absolutely the right thing to say at the right time to the right person editor. No mods have seen fit to complain, nor the recipient either.

But I doubt you'll see it again from me anyway.

 

[jæd]

Since i've done about three posts like than in nearly 12,000 over five years, you ought to realise there's really no need to speak to me on the matter. I thought twice about writing it, but it was absolutely the right thing to say at the right time to the right person editor. No mods have seen fit to complain, nor the recipient either.

But I doubt you'll see it again from me anyway.

So any chance of backing up the claims Bush & Co are actively participating in genocide...? Or just another Fela wriggle-wriggle...?

 

[editor]

You know, I really could do without a pompous lecture from the person who reported fela's post, thanks.

 

[nino_savatte]

"Indexes." There ARE official indexes and not one ranks N Korea, Arabia, or Burma./Mynammar above the US.

And who devises these "indexes" and on what criteria are they based?

 

[fela fan]

You know, I really could do without a pompous lecture from the person who reported fela's post, thanks.

Do i get to find out who it was?! They certainly never complained to me.