stop the war demo, 24 sept & politicos on the piss

[Pickman's model]

1) what's going on with it? the cops ain't got a thing about it on their site - and normally they do by this point...

are people just being advised to go to somewhere in central london in the (likely) vain hope they'll see a march?

2) for people who want to do something more interesting on 24/9, and who posted on the politicos on the piss in piccadilly thread, please pm me so we can sort out drinx for the day.

 

[X-77]

1) what's going on with it? the cops ain't got a thing about it on their site - and normally they do by this point...

are people just being advised to go to somewhere in central london in the (likely) vain hope they'll see a march?

2) for people who want to do something more interesting on 24/9, and who posted on the politicos on the piss in piccadilly thread, please pm me so we can sort out drinx for the day.

The assembly point has been announced as Parliament Square @ 12pm now.

 

[Boogie Boy]

There will be something taking place in East London.....details to follow.

BB

 

[Pickman's model]

The assembly point has been announced as Parliament Square @ 12pm now.

Events

The following is a list of forthcoming events in London that are likely to involve road closures or to cause significant disruption. This information is compiled by the Metropolitan Police CO11 Public Order unit as part of its task of helping to enable large events to take place while minimising disruption to the public.

There are currently no events. Please check back for updates.

Guidance:

To organise a protest march
Dates and locations

This page normally carries a list of forthcoming events in London that are likely to involve road closures or cause significant disruption. This information is compiled by the Metropolitan Police Public Order unit as part of its task of helping to enable large events to take place while minimising disruption to the public.

This page is updated on a regular basis. Please return soon for information on future events.

http://www.met.police.uk/events/index.htm

 

[X-77]

http://www.met.police.uk/events/index.htm

would they normally have announced it on their pages by now then? Or wait til a week or so before perhaps? It's definitely going ahead according to STWC:

Stop the War Coalition with CND and MAB have called a national demonstration for Peace & Liberty on Saturday 24th September, 12noon (note new time), assemble in Parliament Square, London, march to Hyde Park.

There will also be two feeder marches from East & South London, more details to follow.

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/

 

[winjer]

would they normally have announced it on their pages by now then?

If they (or the RUC) thought it was going to be big it would be on there by now, on past form.

 

[X-77]

http://www.met.police.uk/events/index.htm

the cops are up to something dodgy alright - check out what that link says now:

Saturday 24th of September
Event

Congolese March
Location & Route

Marches (1) & (2) will form up and will move off as below merging with March (3) on Millbank and Trafalgar Square.(1) 11am. Whitechapel Road> Adler Street> Commercial Road> Aldgate One-Way System> Aldgate High Street> Leadenhall Street> Cornhill > Queen Victoria Street> Cannon Street> St Paul’s Churchyard> Ludgate Hill> Fleet Street> Strand> Trafalgar Square to merge with main march.(2) 11.30am. Clapham Road> South Lambeth Road> Vauxhall One-way system> Albert Embankment> Lambeth Bridge>Millbank to merge with main march. (3) 1300 Main March from Millbank> Parliament Street> Whitehall> Cockspur Street> Pall Mall> Lower Regent Street> Piccadilly> Hyde Park Corner> Park Lane> Hyde Park Corner.
Timings

Between 11am and 1300 Three Marches will form up as above and move off at different times. Roads will be closed to facilitate and reopen once Marches have cleared each area.
Road closures

Roads on Route will be Closed at different times to facilitate Demonstration.
Parking suspensions

All the roads on the route will be subject to parking restrictions.
Public transport

For further information contact London Transport Buses. www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/
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Saturday 24th of September
Event

Parade
Location & Route

Temple Place > Victoria Embankment > Bridge Street > Parliament Street > Whitehall > Whitehall Place.
Timings

Form up 1400 move off 1430. Timings might change depending on other events in area (protest marches).
Road closures

Roads on Route will be Closed to facilitate Parade and reopen as it passes.
Parking suspensions

All the roads on the route will be subject to parking restrictions.
Public transport

For further information contact London Transport Buses. www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/

 

[X-77]

Transport for London have it right though...

Central London
CENTRAL LONDON Event
24 Sep 2005, 00:00 to
24 Sep 2005, 00:00

Stop The War-Parliament Square to Hyde Park Corner.The march will form up on Millbank.Approx 20 - 30,000 persons will assemble on Millbank from midday. At 1300hrs they will set off via Abingdon St, Parliament Square, eastside against traffic flow, Parliament Street, Whitehall, Cockspur Street, Waterloo Place, Lower Regent Street, Piccadilly Circus, Piccadilly entire road then westbound only after j/w St James Street, Up slip to Hyde Park Corner, wrong way into Park Lane against traffic flow, Achilles Way, Queen Mothers Gate, Serpentine Road. A FURTHER 2 FEEDER MARCHES ARE ALSO ARRANGED 1.Approx. 500 people will leave STOCKWELL TUBE at 11:00 and travel along KENNINGTON PARK ROAD, KENNINGTON ROAD, LAMBETH BRIDGE to join the rear of the march at MILLBANK. 2.) 1,000 - 2,000 persons will leave Altab Ali Park, Whitechapel at 10:30, initial route to be confirmed, then via Fleet Street, Strand, Trafalgar Square and will join the national demonstration in parliament square.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/streets/traffic-alert-service/events.shtml

 

[max_freakout]

I went to a STW meeting few days ago, the guy said that if 100,000 or less turn up, the media/govt will have 'won' over the protesters

 

[mk12]

I went to a STW meeting few days ago, the guy said that if 100,000 or less turn up, the media/govt will have 'won' over the protesters

 

[Random]

Is max_freakout taking the piss?

 

[mk12]

I was rolling my eyes at what "the guy" supposedly said. It's ridiculous.

 

[winjer]

the cops are up to something dodgy alright - check out what that link says now:

The second event listed there is the "Apprentice Boys of Derry March from Temple Place, Victoria Embankment, Bridge Street, Whitehall to Whitehall Place. A small event with traffic held at junctions as it passes."

 

[Random]

I was rolling my eyes at what "the guy" supposedly said. It's ridiculous.

I suppose it might have been someone trying to hype things up...yes, I agree, it's a ridiculous way to set people up for a fall.

IMO, the anti-war movement has to start targeting particular aspects of the UK's share of the occupation, and start to make it unworkable. Anti-war demos are good to get us together, but there needs to be some further ways of taking action provided.

 

[flimsier]

Is it a Saturday?

If so, I'm playing football.

Don't expect more than 3,000, and that's mainly because the MaB are good at organising.

 

[flimsier]

I suppose if the SWP organise all their members there might be 3,500.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it a Saturday?

If so, I'm playing football.

Don't expect more than 3,000, and that's mainly because the MaB are good at organising.

yeh? but you know rebel's still going to claim 100,000

 

[Random]

Don't expect more than 3,000, and that's mainly because the MaB are good at organising.

I'd be very surprised if there's less than 20,000, and the MAB barely exist exept on paper and in the SWP's leaders' imaginations.

 

[Squatticus]

I suppose it might have been someone trying to hype things up...yes, I agree, it's a ridiculous way to set people up for a fall.

IMO, the anti-war movement has to start targeting particular aspects of the UK's share of the occupation, and start to make it unworkable. Anti-war demos are good to get us together, but there needs to be some further ways of taking action provided.

I agree (when don't I?), but it's still important for this demo to be big, as it's the first one since July 7th & the Menezes shooting.

It's billed as for peace AND civil liberties, btw

 

[Pickman's model]

I agree (when don't I?), but it's still important for this demo to be big, as it's the first one since July 7th & the Menezes shooting.

It's billed as for peace AND civil liberties, btw

& troops home for jesus' birthday.

 

[Pilgrim]

yeh? but you know rebel's still going to claim 100,000

Only 100,000?

Mind you, the SWP are probably using some new, dialectical method of counting the numbers that we, the lumpen proletariat, haven't previously encountered.

Or they could just be full of shit as usual.

And why is it that the Swappies are so inept at counting a simple figure like the attendance at a demo?

 

[blamblam]

I got a leaflet at this at work, one of the main points of it was "the july 7th bombings have nothing to do with either Islam or Muslims" - what a load of bollocks!!

 

[rednblack]

I got a leaflet at this at work, one of the main points of it was "the july 7th bombings have nothing to do with either Islam or Muslims" - what a load of bollocks!!

who produced it?

and did they claim it was mossad?

 

[blamblam]

who produced it?

and did they claim it was mossad?

Lol nah it was an STWC leaflet

Hmmm actually maybe I mis-remembered. Will check. Still the text on this leaflet on their site is dodgy:

We reject the view that terrorism is rooted in Muslim fanaticism... It
must be said loud and clear: neither Muslims nor Islam are the problem.

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/documents/StW_24sept_leaflet_low.pdf

Of course they're not the whole problem - you just can't deny they have no role to play, just like religion in Norn Iron. It's not the main factor, but it's still a contributing one.

 

[JHE]

A strange Islamophile consensus

I got a leaflet at this at work, one of the main points of it was "the july 7th bombings have nothing to do with either Islam or Muslims" - what a load of bollocks!!

It's bollocks that is also promoted by the Metropolitan Police and the government.

On the day of the bombings, Paddick went out of his way to pretend that the carnage had nothing to do with with Islam. Paddick's shit was repeated by a daft priest in St Pancras parish church. "There are no Muslim terrorists," he insisted.

The government has been conferring with its Muslim advisors. According to yesterday's Guardian, it plans to set up "a media unit to rebut negative stories about Muslims". Publicly-funded, government-sponsored pro-Islamic propaganda - just what we need!

At the behest of the MCB and in a hopeless attempt to curry favour with Muslims, the government remains committed to outlawing 'incitement to religious hatred'. Sir Iqbal of the MCB has said that the proposed law would 'cover' (i.e., prohibit) talk of Islamic terrorism.

The Social Workers won't admit it, but they are part of the same sickening, and increasingly illiberal, official Islamophile consensus.

 

[Pilgrim]

The Social Workers won't admit it, but they are part of the same sickening, and increasingly illiberal, official Islamophile consensus.

And since when did the Social Workers admit fallibility?

Can't remember them doing it much, if at all, even when I was a member.

 

[rebel warrior]

It's bollocks that is also promoted by the Metropolitan Police and the government.

On the day of the bombings, Paddick went out of his way to pretend that the carnage had nothing to do with with Islam. Paddick's shit was repeated by a daft priest in St Pancras parish church. "There are no Muslim terrorists," he insisted.

The government has been conferring with its Muslim advisors. According to yesterday's Guardian, it plans to set up "a media unit to rebut negative stories about Muslims". Publicly-funded, government-sponsored pro-Islamic propaganda - just what we need!

At the behest of the MCB and in a hopeless attempt to curry favour with Muslims, the government remains committed to outlawing 'incitement to religious hatred'. Sir Iqbal of the MCB has said that the proposed law would 'cover' (i.e., prohibit) talk of Islamic terrorism.

The Social Workers won't admit it, but they are part of the same sickening, and increasingly illiberal, official Islamophile consensus.

And you are a part of a sickening, increasingly illiberal, official racist consensus against Muslims. Jean Charles de Menezes, an innocent man, is dead at the hands of the Met Police. Thousands of Muslims have been killed by this Government in Iraq. What do you say about any of this? Nothing - because you are a fuckwit.

 

[rednblack]

Jean Charles de Menezes, an innocent man, is dead at the hands of the Met Police. .

he wasnt a muslim

good night out was it?

 

[rebel warrior]

he wasnt a muslim

But the police thought he was a Islamic extremist and so murdered him.

R&B - I just wanted to call JHE a racist fucker really - off to bed now.

 

[Pilgrim]

And you are a part of a sickening, increasingly illiberal, official racist consensus against Muslims. Jean Charles de Menezes, an innocent man, is dead at the hands of the Met Police. Thousands of Muslims have been killed by this Government in Iraq. What do you say about any of this? Nothing - because you are a fuckwit.

So, how can a policy backed up by the Met Police and New Labour, to support Muslims, be an 'official racist consensus', Rebel?

And why is that, rather than debate the issue at hand, you choose, in true Pravda style, to simply throw insults at people for pointing out a few salient facts?

Insults are so much easier than having to admit that your leaders, such as they are, might have been wrong in cosying up to Muslim fundamentalists, aren't they Rebel?

And, in reference to my earlier question which you chose not to answer, since when did the leadership of the SWP admit fallibility? Just a couple of checkable references will suffice. Or is it now official SWP policy that the SWP leadership is always right, and those who have the temerity to disagree are, as you put it, 'fuckwits?