stop ronaldo!
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Kanda said:I'll also requote:
Originally Posted by Kanda
And no, I won't get into debate with you on this, thats my final word on the matter and I'll go look at nobbing and sobbing or something.....
Because I slipped up but now intend to stick to it
i feel quite terrible now that i know that that my posts have kept quality like this away....
oh, come back kanda, come on, we'll go on the 'i'm not supporting andy murray because he's welsh' thread and show them what for - me an you kanda.... kanda?
<kicks messageboard>
THIS THREAD HAD SO MUCH FUCKEN POTENTIAL BEFORE YOU RUINED IT CHORLTON..
<shakes fist at self>
Chorlton said:
Don't be so tough on yourself ...
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/05072006/356/fa-backing-wayne-rooney.html
Stop moaning ya bunch of twats. You're out cause your shite and so is Rooney the looney.
Stop moaning ya bunch of twats. You're out cause your shite and so is Rooney the looney.
revol68 said:
I'd agree that the British (never mind English) working-class are unfairly demonized - see the whole abysmal "chav" thing, but where is your evidence that the majority of England fans in Germany are working-class?
The middle-classing of football in Britain has been steadily increasing for the last decade and a half - just look at ticket prices for proof. I'd be willing to bet that an awful lot of England fans in Germany are middle-class.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Brockway said:
I never suggested the majority of England fans in Germany where working class, but there is no doubt that the media holds football fans up as the charicature of the white working class.
In the same way many chavs are middle class but every chav is immediately labelled working class.
Injured innocent said:
I'm sure people are able to compare it before you joined it (not great) and after you joined it (even worse)
And yes, I know I've contributed to that, but your deliberately inflammatory comments were going to provoke an inevitable reaction, if it hadn't been from me, someone else would have reacted.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Chorlton said:
you haven't replied to me yet.
Do you demand muslims speak out against suicide bombings?
Cos as far as I'm concerned only a bigot would imagine that a whole grouping of people are so different from us that they have to vocalise their condemnation otherwise they are implicitly supporting brutal actions.
I take it as given that the vast majority of muslims, like the rest of us have no time for such actions, like wise with English fans and death threats to refs.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Chorlton said:
Well, your hypothesis that English fans are thuggish, xenophobic tools was based on the actions of a minority of self labelling "england fans", and until other English fans made explicit condemnations of such actions they were all just as bad.
Now take this and using your, admittedly limited, intellectual imagination imagine the structure of it's logic crafted onto the issue of Muslim extremists, suicide bombings and the wider Muslim population.
Far from proving English fans to be bigotted reactionaries, I think you've only illuminated your short comings.
revol68 said:
errrrr..... where did i say they were thuggish or xenophobic..... where did i even imply xenophobia.
so far the charge of racism has been bandied around once on this thread and it wasn't by me.
i think you may be running away with yourself here revol.
what i said was that we now have another witch hunt against someone whom england fans as wronged them.
Just like Urs Meier
Just like david beckham
and i cited the previous examples of harassing the ref and ill-feeling to the players kid - now given that this is the second thread shouting out against ronaldo - i was merely wondering how far this goes before it all goes out of control and death-threats like has happened before - after all no-one was rushing to condemn the OPs.....
Now..... i still at am a loss to understand what this has to do with suicide bombers....
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
It's threads like this what make me almost want Portugal to win the whole thing. Just so the Sun has to print a picture of Ronaldo with the cup.
bolshiebhoy said:
Not even in the SLIGHTEST bit embarassed by Chorlton's posts then? As exposed the posts of revol, who's very much not an England fan?
I agree the post starting off this thread was clownish and fairly infantile, but what followed has been even worse.
revol68
what, fucking what?
are you really so fucking dumb.
the content of the logic is not the issue, it's the structure of the logic.
You have condemned all English fans and will only pardon them when they explain themselves and condemn the actions of some extremists.
How does that differ from racists who demand Muslims continually condemn these actions, and until they do this they are lumped in with the extremists.
the content of the logic is not the issue, it's the structure of the logic.
You have condemned all English fans and will only pardon them when they explain themselves and condemn the actions of some extremists.
How does that differ from racists who demand Muslims continually condemn these actions, and until they do this they are lumped in with the extremists.
>>twister
Chorlton's not stupid, he's being deliberately obtuse on this.
Chorlton's not stupid, he's being deliberately obtuse on this.
Kanda
Diving wanker
Chorlton said:
More than likely.
You've been a very active posting *anti English sentiment* disguised in threads about Football. An extremist to some extent
Do I think you're anti-English? Not really. I just think you've got slightly carried away and driven by certain hatreds that have been prevalent in your posts.
revol68 said:
i never really thought so, but here we are....
revol68 said:
i disagree, i think its the lack of logic
revol68 said:
it seems here that i am being hung over the following comment:
being that there is no condemnation, and that you are england fans - i presume that you all love it.
which was rather heat of the moment, when WoW was declaring everything he didn't like to be wascist - i did in fact concede this way back in post 40 when i got pulled up in by donna - when i said
is that what you have been banging on about?
something which i have already retracted - is that why you have been tenuously trying to shoe-horn in some abstract comparison between england fans and suicide bombers....?
