Stop BNP red white and Blue festival

[trevhagl]

OK then if it isn't a Bilderberg agenda what is it? Why else would a Labour party be as right wing as the Tories?

Labour went to the right because they wanted to be in Govt not in opposition. They saw the way British society was going and tacked accordingly.

Read some books, starting with "Them" by Jon Ronson (suppose he's a loon too?)

Jon Ronson I'm not too familiar with so I shall not comment on him at this stage.



Now Milne really is a fucking loon. He's backed the Russian invasion of Georgia, is a rabid anti zionist extremist and consorts with some pretty dodgy people and causes. Milne is basically a public school rebel looking for a cause.

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/14/seumlass-milne-on-the-caucuses-causes/

There is nothing overtly sinister about MP's and ministers having security checks. Ministers often have access to information that could damage the nation so it is basic common sense for those handling such information to be checked out to see if a minister could be for example vunerable to blackmail.

Dunno much about Milne apart from his book. He doesn't seem like a loon to me. It seems to mirror real life happenings. Yes of course you have to screen ministers - that is if they are suspected of being linked to terrorists. But having a different view to ultra conservative should NOT be a crime. And there is the issue of colluding with the media to bring down any minister who steps out of line, tapping MP's phone calls and basic anti democratic behaviour.

I really can't understand where you're coming from, you don't like Blair yet you stand up for New Labour/establishment propaganda...

 

[trevhagl]

Well if you feel its more important to be politically pure rather than being politically effective against the bnp then thats sure problem. Me, I'll go for what works.

Its establishment friendly/New Labour types like yourself who fuel the rise of the BNP...

 

[Zachor]

Its establishment friendly/New Labour types like yourself who fuel the rise of the BNP...

Bollocks. Did I once say that I was New Labour friendly? No I did not.

 

[trevhagl]

Bollocks. Did I once say that I was New Labour friendly? No I did not.

So where you coming from then? You sound like Kelvin Mckenzie or some other tool of the establishemnt, trying to ridicule anyone who fights for democracy

 

[Zachor]

OK then if it isn't a Bilderberg agenda what is it? Why else would a Labour party be as right wing as the Tories?

Labour went to the right because they wanted to be in Govt not in opposition. They saw the way British society was going and tacked accordingly.


Dunno much about Milne apart from his book. He doesn't seem like a loon to me. It seems to mirror real life happenings. Yes of course you have to screen ministers - that is if they are suspected of being linked to terrorists. But having a different view to ultra conservative should NOT be a crime. And there is the issue of colluding with the media to bring down any minister who steps out of line, tapping MP's phone calls and basic anti democratic behaviour.

I dont' think its a matter of filtering ministers / MPsthrough an ultraconservative lens if that was true we wouldn't have had Atlee, Benn, Skinner and many more. Of course you have to vet public servants for links to terrorists (doesn't always work as Galloway is still occasionally in the commons) more making sure that if a minister or MP is compromised personally it doesn't affect the whole nation.

I really can't understand where you're coming from, you don't like Blair yet you stand up for New Labour/establishment propaganda...

Can't stand Blair or NL but I can see a bigger picture which is why I try to keep more of an open mind these days.

 

[trevhagl]

You probably believe in ID cards/database state too?

 

[Zachor]

You probably believe in ID cards/database state too?

No I dont'. I believe that it wrong to curtail the freedom of the individual in this way.

Yes sometimes the community or the state does need to circumscribe individual liberties but what NL have proposed is an appalling abuse of individual rights. Yes criminals and terrorists have to be dealt with but not by treating ALL citizens as criminals and terrorists.

 

[soam]

An exceelnt book on the destruction of labour and the hijacking of the new Labour plan is by Robin Ramsy, Prawn Cocktail Party - highly reccomended

 

[Zachor]

So where you coming from then? You sound like Kelvin Mckenzie or some other tool of the establishemnt, trying to ridicule anyone who fights for democracy

I was once a supporter of Left parties (for a short time I did associate with the SWP) but I would now consider myself as a Left of centre social democrat.

Neither Left nuttery nor Right nuttery makes sense to me. Not in a society with a diversity of opinions.

 

[Zachor]

An exceelnt book on the destruction of labour and the hijacking of the new Labour plan is by Robin Ramsy, Prawn Cocktail Party - highly reccomended

Sounds interesting.

 

[lights.out.london]

This reminds me of the time the (dutch?) government gave free plane tickets and a monetary reward to loads of gypsies, 'illegals', etc, and basically told them to go home... A few weeks later, they came back, with family. They'd used the monetary reward to buy plane tickets back for themselves and other family members.

 

[TopCat]

So as I am newly back from holidays abroad, did you lot manage to stop the RWB?

 

[durruti02]

So as I am newly back from holidays abroad, did you lot manage to stop the RWB?

 

[trevhagl]

No I dont'. I believe that it wrong to curtail the freedom of the individual in this way.

Yes sometimes the community or the state does need to circumscribe individual liberties but what NL have proposed is an appalling abuse of individual rights. Yes criminals and terrorists have to be dealt with but not by treating ALL citizens as criminals and terrorists.

Oh no he's agreeing with ME now! All i need now is for El Jefe to agree with something is say and then i have world domination!

 

[trevhagl]

So as I am newly back from holidays abroad, did you lot manage to stop the RWB?

We don't stop ANYTHING we just argue on forums!

 

[Zachor]

Oh no he's agreeing with ME now! All i need now is for El Jefe to agree with something is say and then i have world domination!

im not a TOTAL contrarian you know. I do agree with others on occasion.

 

[rioted]

All countries have the right to remove those with no right to live in that particular nation.

I know! I should "go back to Russia"!!

 

[rioted]

Its normal and natural for a country to want to and need to control its borders.

It's completely abnormal for a "country" to have any "wants".

 

[october_lost]

No I dont'. I believe that it wrong to curtail the freedom of the individual in this way.

But immigration controls are fine, I noted in your outline of 'how ridiculous open borders is' that you didn't mention the free movement of commerce and trade, I take it making links around the movement of free labour and capital is equally absurd in your opinion?

 

[lights.out.london]

So as I am newly back from holidays abroad, did you lot manage to stop the RWB?

Real life? Are you insane?

 

[october_lost]

Lets be realistic, it was disrupted enough to make it questionable it will go ahead again in that neck of the woods.

 

[lights.out.london]

You'd hope so. But they'll be back....somewhere.

They really are the party of bottom-feeding scum. Incredible. A whole weekend of the Ugly Parade.

 

[Citizen66]

Anyway, to conclude the thread, was this festival actually stopped?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Yes. Also we managed to stop the Nazi BNP by titting about on the internet. Everything's fine now.

 

[rogue_lettuce]

Everything's fine now.

Except global warming, which has been quadrupled by the doubts expressed on this very messageboard. You see, it works on the "I don't believe in fairies" basis...

 

[trevhagl]

Lets be realistic, it was disrupted enough to make it questionable it will go ahead again in that neck of the woods.

Would like to say what the smug twats on here answer to that is.

 

[trevhagl]

fuck me have i become illiterate? I meant i'd like to SEE what the smug twats answer to that is... cos they're never happy unless they're criticising and if people actually ACHEIVE something i imagine they'll be lost for words..

 

[lights.out.london]

Yes. Also we managed to stop the Nazi BNP by titting about on the internet. Everything's fine now.

Some useful work was done. IRL. With real people.