Stop BNP red white and Blue festival

[sonny61]

BNP had a stall in Lancaster today-seemd to get no support whatsoever but the UAF got plenty when they stood in front handing out leaflets. BNP were apparently photographing them-very dodgy looking geezers-ended up being forced to leave after a lot of police interest

I can well believe that the BNP got no public interest, as most political parties stalls in town centers do.

The UAF, got plenty, really?
Sounds like a SWP claim, hundreds of papers sold, new members signed up, people who were just passing by joining in, all that sort of thing, the SWP always seems to come out with.

 

[cyberfairy]

I can well believe that the BNP got no public interest, as most political parties stalls in town centers do.

The UAF, got plenty, really?
Sounds like a SWP claim, hundreds of papers sold, new members signed up, people who were just passing by joining in, all that sort of thing, the SWP always seems to come out with.

I am nothing to do with SWP, was out shopping and watched peoples reactions

 

[scott_forester]

Don't they hold these behind big fences?

 

[rogue_lettuce]

Don't they hold these behind big fences?

They might choose not to just to piss off the council, as that was one of the conditions they would have imposed if a license were granted.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah, they might. But they won't. Why on earth woukd they do that?

 

[derf]

Stop the BNP's
Red, White & Blue festival
.

Cheeky bastards. Using a very nice flag as a symbol to peddle their filthy politics.
Still they expect and want demos against them. Turns a few loonies with a message of hate into a news item.
If you want to make piss them off line the route of the march without a banner in sight, stay silent and turn your backs as they pass.
That's bound to annoy the shit out of them and there is nothing they can use as positive publicity.

 

[rogue_lettuce]

Yeah, they might. But they won't. Why on earth woukd they do that?

Because they're about as mature as a bunch of primary school kids, and "take THAT, council!" seems like something that would roll off their tongues easily?

 

[The Black Hand]

^ Indeed, this is working class people fighting the BNP, and a broad coalition to boot, it aint those middle class reactionary pricks the SWP.

Ive read lots on urban about working class people being racist so when an event happens where its Trade unions and local activists who are working class and who are making an effort to get keep the views of those BNP scumbags out of the minds Of everyday folk this should at least be seen as doing something better than doing fuck all.

And To some of those earlier posters on this thread, Its simple really, if you dont want to go to the event and air your grievances then fair enough but dont start all the mock greek philosophical posturing and pot noodle rationalising as a means of justifying not going, its fake as fuck and as see through as a highly polished piece of glass.

Yes, well said.

 

[Citizen66]

The problem that most people already realise is that the far right are moving upwards in mainstream politics in a way that the left isn't.

You can push as much dog shit through Nazi letterboxes as you like or waste time disrupting their RWB non-events and in the mean time they've got some disgusting cunt in City Hall and some working class people are actually listening to them...

A recession is coming... this is how it starts again, doesn't it?

 

[october_lost]

/\ /\ What s/he said, though that doesnt mean that we should allow them to organise unoppossed, but theres far too many people in these neck of the woods that are operating completely within the sphere of negative politics.

 

[The Black Hand]

The problem that most people already realise is that the far right are moving upwards in mainstream politics in a way that the left isn't.

You can push as much dog shit through Nazi letterboxes as you like or waste time disrupting their RWB non-events and in the mean time they've got some disgusting cunt in City Hall and some working class people are actually listening to them...

A recession is coming... this is how it starts again, doesn't it?

Give over - they are only represented in 1% of town halls. They are still an excresence on the face of Council politics. AND they know it.

 

[The Black Hand]

/\ /\ What s/he said, though that doesnt mean that we should allow them to organise unoppossed, but theres far too many people in these neck of the woods that are operating completely within the sphere of negative politics.

We are being negative towards the BNP and positive in the knowledge that better politics and practice are what is needed. The vast majority of us are already doing it.

 

[october_lost]

We are being negative towards the BNP and positive in the knowledge that better politics and practice are what is needed. The vast majority of us are already doing it.

No. By negative politics, I mean we are being reactive rather than proactive. This is a traversty, especially when we have a chance to out flank the left in the short to meduim term.

 

[trevhagl]

I think the trouble is is that the biggest selling newspaper in the UK has very similar politics to the fascists, so people are already brainwashed so all the BNP have to do is get their votes

 

[LLETSA]

I think the trouble is is that the biggest selling newspaper in the UK has very similar politics to the fascists, so people are already brainwashed so all the BNP have to do is get their votes

No mainstream newspaper has similar politics to the fascists, while it is impossible to say how many readers of a particular newspaper share its editorial viewpoint on all issues.

Banging on about asylum and immigration and the like isn't 'having the same politics as the fascists.' The people who write this stuff in the tabloids don't even believe it themselves; they simply know that it sells.

 

[The Black Hand]

A) No mainstream newspaper has similar politics to the fascists, while it is impossible to say how many readers of a particular newspaper share its editorial viewpoint on all issues.

B)Banging on about asylum and immigration and the like isn't 'having the same politics as the fascists.' The people who write this stuff in the tabloids don't even believe it themselves; they simply know that it sells.

A) That is open to debate, there certainly is space for a similar broad brush right wing take on British politics and history which provides a breeding ground for fascist recruits.

B) That is another absolutism Letty. Its just not true, and there certainly are enough right wing journalists around to write the crap. Its wishful thinking to believe these people who write the right bile do not share the pov sometimes, or in some way.

C) You should go to university for a MA or something.

 

[Citizen66]

The people who write this stuff in the tabloids don't even believe it themselves; they simply know that it sells.

No, they don't write it because it 'sells' !

They write it to suit the agenda of the news group and in stupid enough language for many to understand.

 

[The Black Hand]

AFA was Anti-fascist-action. AFA lead the physical force approach to the far-right which led to the BNP's turn to electoralism. The main people behind AFA suggested that there is a political vacuum due to the mainstream parties abandonment of w/c communities, a vacuum that the far right could potentially fill and that needed to be met with not only negative physcial force but with a positive political program. The IWCA grew out of that understanding

Shite analysis that then. Many Marxists have suggested that there is a vacuum way way before Red Action did.

You could also say that the 1970s orginators of AFA got too old to continue so hung up their direct action boots, and donned their jacket and zimmer frame.

 

[LLETSA]

A) That is open to debate, there certainly is space for a similar broad brush right wing take on British politics and history which provides a breeding ground for fascist recruits.

B) That is another absolutism Letty. Its just not true, and there certainly are enough right wing journalists around to write the crap. Its wishful thinking to believe these people who write the right bile do not share the pov sometimes, or in some way.

C) You should go to university for a MA or something.

There might be plenty of right-wing journalists around, but most of those writing for the mainstream press don't endorse the BNP and nor do right-wing papers take a consistent anti-immigrant stance. In the very same papers that rattle on about asylum you are just as likely to find an article repeating aspects of the mainstream consensus about immigration being a positive thing.

A 'right-wing take' on British politics and history has always been in the mainstream, but has less of an influence now than ever before.

 

[LLETSA]

No, they don't write it because it 'sells' !

They write it to suit the agenda of the news group and in stupid enough language for many to understand.

It's a terrible thing, this stupid language.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

No, they don't write it because it 'sells' !

They write it to suit the agenda of the news group and in stupid enough language for many to understand.

Selling papers is imporatnt to the Red Tops as it is where they generate 70% of their revenue (the rest comes through advertising). The reverse is true of the broadsheets; i.e. they are much more dependent on (beholden to) their adverisers who provide 70% of their incomes.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

p.s. info is from Price Waterhouse Coopers' Transaction Services (October 2004).

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Shite analysis that then. Many Marxists have suggested that there is a vacuum way way before Red Action did.

You didn't read BA's post did you? It doesn't contain a claim that AFA were first, just that they did it.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

A) That is open to debate, there certainly is space for a similar broad brush right wing take on British politics and history which provides a breeding ground for fascist recruits.

Given that the Sun derives the majority of it's income from sales, this is a very worrying suggestion: i.e. a mas circulation UK daily newspaper may be broadly speaking fascist (as opposed to taking a right wing editorial line, albeit one that swerves betwen conservatism and neo-liberalism with little recogniton of the contradictions between them).

Louis MacNeice

 

[The Black Hand]

You didn't read BA's post did you? It doesn't contain a claim that AFA were first, just that they did it.

Louis MacNeice

FFS you missed the point. RA breath too AND suck eggs....

 

[lights.out.london]

Any one going from London?

No Pasaran!

 

[Nigel]

Any one going from London?

No Pasaran!

Can do, bring some people down?
PM us closer to the date!

 

[The Black Hand]

Actions against the RWB have already started;

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/08/405243.html

 

[e19896]

Actions against the RWB have already started;

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/08/405243.html

STS have their office at 47 Rockingham Close Chesterfield S40 1JE, phone 01246 278754 and 07889 832076. Get in contact and tell them what you think of their support of the BNP.

Campaigns against all supporters of the BNP event will continue. We will stop the fascists!

just in case you are to lazy to read

see you there..

 

[sonny61]

STS have their office at 47 Rockingham Close Chesterfield S40 1JE, phone 01246 278754 and 07889 832076. Get in contact and tell them what you think of their support of the BNP.

Campaigns against all supporters of the BNP event will continue. We will stop the fascists!

just in case you are to lazy to read

see you there..

Bring on the revolution!
Next week, Griffin's bike tyres are going to be let down!

I must congratulate the anti fascist on their tactics.
Bragging all over the Internet what anti fascists intend, is by no means forewarning the Old Bill. No way!

 

[e19896]

Bring on the revolution!
Next week, Griffin's bike tyres are going to be let down!

I must congratulate the anti fascist on their tactics.
Bragging all over the Internet what anti fascists intend, is by no means forewarning the Old Bill. No way!

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