Stonehenge created in 1900?

[Kameron]

What always amazes me about the conspiracy theories is the totally mythic ability it endows our governments with of effectively keeping secrets. This being the same government that can't keep the Watergate tapes or their own expenses under wraps.

 

[jonH]

It's a bit like clock, it must keep up with the times. It was a sundial, then a pendulum, a quartz and now it's atomic/digital. As long as it works who cares?

 

[Hocus Eye.]

The paintings by Turner, finished in 1828, and Constable 1836 mentioned in the thread are here:-

Both show them looking a bit more wobbly and chaotic than you see them in the film clip as they are being restored.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Duh. They needed to build a street that the street-builders could be dragged into and shot.

Presumably the planners in question didn't actually live at Stonehenge. I'm sure there would have been a more convenient street in which to shoot them.

 

[danny la rouge]

Interesting, so you're saying the reconstruction was exactly correct? All the stones they put on top of the other stones were there originally? Butchers says they were, but i'm not that sure about 1900s archaeologists knew what they were doing. Would be interested in a reference.

Yes, the 1901 restoration moved the base of one of the sarcen stones. There was a subsequent restoration in the 1950s, putting this right, and another restoration in the 60s, which secured more unstable uprights.

 

[belboid]

Yep looks like clumsy phrasing, still doesn't say moon believes it was a total fabrication. Even if she did it's not worth the stream of poisonous invective that you've spewed out of your head.

a: four words are not a stream, barely a trickle

b: it spewed out of my fingers

c: moons 'defence' of the original post was so unbelievably piss poor that 'fucking thick' is astoundingly soft

On the gist of your point, if you can point out just one single credible source claiming that the stones were moved in any significant way at all during the restoration mentioned then i will merrily withdraw all my comments.

You wont tho, because they weren't.

 

[two sheds]

Yes, the 1901 restoration moved the base of one of the sarcen stones. There was a subsequent restoration in the 1950s, putting this right, and another restoration in the 60s, which secured more unstable uprights.

Ta So the capstones were all correct? I doubt they'd have moved far when they fell off, admittedly.

This is the sort of answer i'd have hoped for originally tbh rather than belboid's streams of abuse.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

The biggest mystery about Stonehenge is why the people who decided to build that fucking great road right next to it were not dragged out into the street and shot

I expect that just like most roads it started out as a bridle path or something similar and then got enlarged as horse drawn traffic began to find it useful. It would have then been built up and widened with the arrival of the 'horseless carriage'. I read somewhere on the net that it has been a right of way for centuries. As far as I know the A 303 was not one of the things that 'the Romans did for us'.

 

[Signal 11]

This is the sort of answer i'd have hoped for originally tbh

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9278586&postcount=21

 

[moon]

did you miss this bit, btw?

"How can people claim that Stonehenge is ancient etc when it was quite clearly built using cranes etc?"

That has actually made me laugh too.

 

[danny la rouge]

This is the bit that made me laugh:

Is this why tourists don't have access to it anymore?

 

[moon]

Oh well at least I gave you guys something to laugh about this afternoon

 

[belboid]

you did, cheers

 

[Hocus Eye.]

One of the mysteries of Stonehenge is that of the stone it is built of. This stone is only found in Wales. There have been various theories about how the stone was transported to Salisbury Plain.

If however the whole thing was built in 1900 with the aid of cranes, the stones could have been put on a train in Wales and unloaded at Salisbury station. They could have then been transferred to very large low loaders and pulled by several traction engines. The Turner and Constable paintings would need to be explained away but that would be a simple job to a turn of the century equivalent of David Icke.

 

[DotCommunist]

One of the mysteries of Stonehenge is that of the stone it is built of. This stone is only found in Wales. There have been various theories about how the stone was transported to Salisbury Plain.

floated and on log rollers is the most popular, iirc

 

[Santino]

Good internets.

 

[belboid]

The Turner and Constable paintings would need to be explained away but that would be a simple job to a turn of the century equivalent of David Icke.

Piece of piss - the paintings were actually the original plans that were followed when the stones were actually errected in 1901

 

[belboid]

One of the mysteries of Stonehenge is that of the stone it is built of. This stone is only found in Wales.

Thats only trrue for the central 'blue' stones. the outer sarsens came from the Marlborough Downs 20 miles away. Tho they still had to get up some bloody steep hills. As well as rollers they probably would have had the use of sledges.

 

[two sheds]

a: four words are not a stream, barely a trickle

b: it spewed out of my fingers

c: moons 'defence' of the original post was so unbelievably piss poor that 'fucking thick' is astoundingly soft

On the gist of your point, if you can point out just one single credible source claiming that the stones were moved in any significant way at all during the restoration mentioned then i will merrily withdraw all my comments.

You wont tho, because they weren't.

It's not a question of being right or wrong. Moon is a friend of mine and I don't like seeing friends - or anyone else of goodwill for that matter - being abused.

If you can't make your point or answer questions without using phrases like 'fucking thick' and don't see why that is abusive - particularly towards a woman - then you should get professional help before posting on here.

 

[belboid]

Dont you oppress me! If i think a point is utterly devoid of merit and/or sense I will say so, and say so forthrightly. And you may tell me to go forth equally forthrightly, that is the joy and wonder of 'free speech'.

your comment that one should never insult poor defenseless women is astoundingly patronising! (not to mention how one was to assume anyones gender from an internet soubriquet)

 

[two sheds]

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9278586&postcount=21

Yep that was fair reply - and what you'd expect from a man of crispy's kaliber. He doesn't come across as an arrogant, abusive tosser .

 

[belboid]

psst, it's 'caliber', he's not an alcohol free beer y'know

 

[Signal 11]

Yep that was fair reply

Exactly. And the conspiraloon source was posted to dispute it, which is why the reaction that got was well deserved.

 

[Crispy]

Dont you oppress me! If i think a point is utterly devoid of merit and/or sense I will say so, and say so forthrightly. And you may tell me to go forth equally forthrightly, that is the joy and wonder of 'free speech'.

You were being abusive. Don't. Thanks.

 

[belboid]

I was.

If I must.

Ta

 

[two sheds]

Dont you oppress me! If i think a point is utterly devoid of merit and/or sense I will say so, and say so forthrightly. And you may tell me to go forth equally forthrightly, that is the joy and wonder of 'free speech'.

your comment that one should never insult poor defenseless women is astoundingly patronising! (not to mention how one was to assume anyones gender from an internet soubriquet)

So you'd find it ok for teachers to say something like that to students would you?

Errm I'm not describing anyone as 'poor defenseless women' that was you, in that post, just And yes, you don't know anything about people you're abusing and you clearly don't care. That wasn't free speech it was abuse. You'd say that to people you met in real life would you? Or is it just from behind the safety of your screen?

Eta: posted after Crispy's

 

[two sheds]

psst, it's 'caliber', he's not an alcohol free beer y'know

psst, it's 'calibre' actually.

 

[butchersapron]

psst, it's 'caliber', he's not an alcohol free beer y'know

Oh b!

 

[belboid]

I was unaware that this was a classroom. It is not, afaik, a workplace of any kind. It is, to me, more of a room in a pub.

And in such places I abuse people often. Especially when they say something very daft. Most people in there do the same thing.

But anyway, enough about you.

 

[belboid]

psst, it's 'calibre' actually.

feck. I double checked the name of the beer, but....oh well, even the mightiest can obviously make mistakes