Stoke Newington by-election

[BarryB]

In 2010, all three councillors are up for re-election, and it's no surprise that many labour voters will vote for two labour councillors and the leading green candidate. That's how greens got elected in a number of London wards in 2006. The practical effect of having 3 votes at once is a very, very limited form of proportionality creeping in.

I think Hackney greens will be disappointed not to win the byelection, but we've strengthened our case in 15 months time. You can bet there will be a few more Lib Dems in the ward who perhaps feel a bit let down or misled, who will also be voting green next time.

As expected the Greens did well in Stoke Newington. But if you look at recent election results in North and East London you will see how badly the Greens have been doing in comparison with their previous results:

29 January Valentines ward, Redbridge

In previous by election the Greens got 9.8%. This time they didnt field a candidate

15 January Seven Sisters ward, Haringey - 7.1%

8 January Bush Hill Park, Enfield - 5.5.%

4 December. Hale End & Highams Park, Waltham Forest -4.7%

As for the Greens in Stoke Newington Central my guess is that if they couldent win this time with activists drawn in from elsewhere they wont win in 2010

BarryB

 

[durruti02]

so barry .. another victory for nu labour! you must be happy no?? another victory for the vandals of dalston, the corrupts of the sell offs of broadway market and dalston lane, the privatisers of our schools (in your very own ward the sponsership of the school by UBS .. a criminal organisation surely in the book of any socialist?) for the party that presides over an increasingly violent ( another stabbing in Hackney last night ) and disenfranchised borough .. you are happy? please tell us

another careerist nu labourite as a colleague .. what do you think of her? does she have a subscription to Revolutionary History? will she support lrc? tell us!

when when when does londons most tortskyist Cllr bring his light out from under his bushell!

 

[durruti02]

It's the most middleclass-organic food market-double buggy-young professional ward in the constituency .

so classic nu lab territory imho

 

[BarryB]

so barry .. another victory for nu labour! you must be happy no?? another victory for the vandals of dalston, the corrupts of the sell offs of broadway market and dalston lane, the privatisers of our schools (in your very own ward the sponsership of the school by UBS .. a criminal organisation surely in the book of any socialist?) for the party that presides over an increasingly violent and disenfranchised borough .. you are happy? please tell us

another careerist nu labourite as a colleague .. what do you think of her? does she have a subscription to Revolutionary History? will she support lrc? tell us!

when when when does londons most tortskyist cllr bring his light out from under his bushell!

If Hackney is so disenfranchised why did Labour win in Stoke Newington Central? And why didnt Hackney Independent stand? If things were as bad in Hackney as you paint them I would think people would flock to vote for you.

Your problem is that you have never got over your defeat in Haggerston in the 2006 elections. You really thought you would take the seat from Labour. But you were proved wrong. Heres looking forward to thrashing you in the 2010 election. That is if you bother to stand.

And I notice that you keep quite about your support for the Stalinist Nurset Sen in the 2002 election in Haggerston.

BarryB

 

[geoff64]

If Hackney is so disenfranchised why did Labour win in Stoke Newington Central? And why didnt Hackney Independent stand? If things were as bad in Hackney as you paint them I would think people would flock to vote for you.

Your problem is that you have never got over your defeat in Haggerston in the 2006 elections. You really thought you would take the seat from Labour. But you were proved wrong. Heres looking forward to thrashing you in the 2010 election. That is if you bother to stand.

And I notice that you keep quite about your support for the Stalinist Nurset Sen in the 2002 election in Haggerston.

BarryB

all true barry (or very nearly). One Q though, I don't understand why you are so gleeful at the prospect of thrashing a progressive pro-working class community politics organisation, unless you really are just a nu-labour opportunist careerist yourself (which you don't come across as).

Hackney Independent has clearly had some odd running mates at previous elections eek:!), but at least we've never allied ourselves with a party of war-mongers and gentrifiers. Nusret Sen's Tankie ideas are bizarre, but in practical terms relatively harmless compared with the stalinist-like dominance of Hackney Labour Party which, when not force-feeding residents with the pravda-like Hackney Toady, sets up false consultations and rides rough-shod over tenants wishes, closes down debate about local issues by refusing access to its venues to anyone potentially off-message and is trying to change the rules to allow Mayor Pipe (a promoter of his own cult of personality) to stand for a third term.

If you don't buy into New Labour, barry, when will you come out and say so? What is the point of your political existence if you don't fight for what you believe in? What do you believe in, anyway?

 

[BarryB]

all true barry (or very nearly). One Q though, I don't understand why you are so gleeful at the prospect of thrashing a progressive pro-working class community politics organisation, unless you really are just a nu-labour opportunist careerist yourself (which you don't come across as).

Hackney Independent has clearly had some odd running mates at previous elections eek:!), but at least we've never allied ourselves with a party of war-mongers and gentrifiers. Nusret Sen's Tankie ideas are bizarre, but in practical terms relatively harmless compared with the stalinist-like dominance of Hackney Labour Party which, when not force-feeding residents with the pravda-like Hackney Toady, sets up false consultations and rides rough-shod over tenants wishes, closes down debate about local issues by refusing access to its venues to anyone potentially off-message and is trying to change the rules to allow Mayor Pipe (a promoter of his own cult of personality) to stand for a third term.

If you don't buy into New Labour, barry, when will you come out and say so? What is the point of your political existence if you don't fight for what you believe in? What do you believe in, anyway?

Geoff its bizarre that you can compare Hackney Today with Pravda. The stalinists held state power in the Soviet Union and murdered millions of people. Hackney Labour party cant even begin to compare with this record! If Hackney Labour party was stalinist I would never have been allowed to stand for election.

I was interested that you say that Hackney Independents odd running mates arent confined to Nurset Sen. Whoever can you mean?!

As for the Council riding rough-shod over tenants wishes I would have to know which particular issues you are talking about. I would guess that some of Hackney Councils or Hackney Homes decisions I would agree with and some I would disagree with. Depends on the issue. But I certainly dont believe that the Council or Hackney Homes must automatically agree to tenants wishes. Once again it depends on the issue.

The decision to stop Ian Sinclair from launching his book at a Hackney Library was wrong full stop.

BarryB

 

[durruti02]

If Hackney Labour party was stalinist I would never have been allowed to stand for election.

the reason you were allowed to stand surely is that you are no threat to the power of the neo liberals and right wingers who run hackney labour party ..

no one ever sees or hears of you organising to empower local people nor oppossing any of the behaviour of the local council ( oh sorry you chaired a John Mcdonnel meeting once) ..

and you are far happier on here attacking anyone who does try to oppose the council when they are out of order

why as a socialist are you happier attacking those who fight for empowering local people than those who disempower them as your NuLabour colleagues do?

why are you happy supportting rightwing blairite candidates and colleagues who ( judging by your Trotskyist pedigree ) you are a million miles from?

 

[greenbrain]

A drop in Green votes in council bye-elections compared to previous full elections is a phenomenon which has existed for as long as I can remember. Whether it is the ability of other Parties to put in massive resources in a single ward or a feature of bye-election politics generally is open to discussion. It is almost invariably followed by a return to the usual pattern at the following round of full elections. This has been the case in every council bye-election in Manchester to date; maybe it's as inevitable as Lib Dem dishonesty about 2-horse races. Such results should not be seen as any evidence of loss of basic support.

 

[Matt S]

Actually, the Green vote didn't go down, it went up. It's just that the Labour vote did too...

Matt

 

[greenbrain]

I was responding more to BarryB's post about other Green Party bye-election results.

 

[BarryB]

the reason you were allowed to stand surely is that you are no threat to the power of the neo liberals and right wingers who run hackney labour party ..

no one ever sees or hears of you organising to empower local people nor oppossing any of the behaviour of the local council ( oh sorry you chaired a John Mcdonnel meeting once) ..

and you are far happier on here attacking anyone who does try to oppose the council when they are out of order

why as a socialist are you happier attacking those who fight for empowering local people than those who disempower them as your NuLabour colleagues do?

why are you happy supportting rightwing blairite candidates and colleagues who ( judging by your Trotskyist pedigree ) you are a million miles from?

If im selected as a Labour candidate for Haggerston in the 2010 local elections the voters there will decide whether ive done a good job as their councillor. I value their opinion more than yours.

BarryB

 

[durruti02]

If im selected as a Labour candidate for Haggerston in the 2010 local elections the voters there will decide whether ive done a good job as their councillor. I value their opinion more than yours.

BarryB

Barry .. this seems out of character .. is that what you really believe? and so you are absolutely happy with the councillors, the politics of the hackney labour party and Hackney generally? and that mr pipe is the best man for mayor? so no criticisms at all bar the ian sinclair ban?

i thought trotskyists opposed new labour OR at least criticised it .. i find your position hard to understand

re this election why do you think the new labour councillor will make a better cllr than the green candidate? on paper the green seems much closer to John McDonnell ( who you support?) than the new labour cllr

and i guess similarly with HI .. what is it you actually oppose in their programme compared to the Nu Lab hackney CLP positions you stand on?

 

[durruti02]

Hi Barry .. any chnace of an answer to this? what is it you prefer in the New Labour policies to the Greens or HI's ..