Stockwell cop kills again - BBC
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No, not soley, it's to enforce the law. I dare say they'd love to lock up everyone they think is a danger. However this is not legal, thus they don't do it often.Attica said:
You can take an idiot to an answer and he won't understand it.Attica said:Not 'let it happen and then kill people'. All they have to do is intercept at an earlier stage... Its not difficult, nor rocket science
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Quite probably, as do all those firemen, cunts sponging off other people's suffering. Line them up and shoot the fuckers!Attica said:
It's a load of steaming shite that's what it is.Attica said:the position I have presented is actually NOT a revolutionary position
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Yup - I woz right it is Bob the Wanker.The Black Hand
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Dhimmi said:
Dimmer - That's you that is.
Sorry, but I have no dogma. Its a question of sides, and here you lot appear to have chosen death. Well done.
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*falls dead as his very will to live is oblitterated by attica's potent and devastating wit*Attica said:
Look if you can't keep up we can always start discussing this in crayons to make you feel less inadequate. Peebs could have made mincemeat of you.
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Dhimmi said:
Ok. Can I visit your tower block....
I have no problem with that - and I am not surprised that convictions for 'conspiracy' are hard to come by. Though I would have thought that convictions for illegal posession of arms, for example, would not be so difficult.detective-boy said:
Which brings us back to the beginning of this thread. I find it very disturbing that no criminal charges are likely to be brought against any of those involved in the Stockwell incident. And I still have not seen/read anything which states that the police officer(s) had reason to believe that someone's life was in danger. The police may not be "out-of-control / have a shoot-to-kill policy / are stupid / incompetent or whatever", but it would be nice to know that emerging problems are addressed before they do spiral out of control. Otherwise accountability is an empty word.detective-boy said:
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Dhimmi said:Sure, but bear in mind I mean murder rather than suicide...
I did too.
That's what always amuses me about the "Why didn't you just shoot them in the leg ..?" line. OK. So we have a loon with a gun, wanting to shoot someone. I know! Let's shoot him in the leg. Now we'll have a loon with a gun with a sore leg, pissed off with me 'cos his leg hurts a lot ... that's a fucking brilliant idea ...Bigdavalad said:
Fucking easy then, isn't it! Why aren't you the fucking commissioner then?Attica said:
They're not ... but they are very short-termist in that they usually lead to sentences in terms of a handful of years. And there are very siginificant issues in guaranteeing that there will actually be guns present - teams of "professional" robbers are well known to carry out lots of dry runs, which to the observor look exactly like the real thing right up to the very last minute, with no guns and even to have guns hidden neraby for use just as needed (e.g. in the bags of female associates at the bus stop in one case I was involved in). I really am NOT making it up whe I say there really is little effective alternative available.TAE said:
And the fact you have not seen / heard any justification for the shooting in Stockwell is because the evidence was tested "behind closed doors". I have consistently argued that this shiould be changed as it gives the perception of bias, or the potential for such an allegtion. Individual and corporate accounability should be given in a public forum, no suitable format for which exists at present.
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Attica said:Rather than execute it is the police task to prevent crime is it not? Not 'let it happen and then kill people'. All they have to do is intercept at an earlier stage... Its not difficult, nor rocket science
Rather - they love death and action - many serious studies of the police have noted that they love the 'heoroic myths' - the chases, adrenalin etc...
the position I have presented is actually NOT a revolutionary position
You have to be kidding with this shite?
How old are you?
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Dhimmi said:
There is a word of difference between comedy on the net and killing people. The toleration of the this sort of thing by many liberals leads to events like Attica and wars...
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pk said:
You have to be kidding with this shite?
You are 3.
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WE come in peace - shoot to kill shoot to kill
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They don't like those with critical ideas But seriously, there is an alternative to extra judicial police killer executions - choose LIFE...
And yes, intercept earlier = less 'crime' no death...
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detective-boy said:Fucking easy then, isn't it! Why aren't you the fucking commissioner then?
They don't like those with critical ideas
But seriously, there is an alternative to extra judicial police killer executions - choose LIFE...And yes, intercept earlier = less 'crime' no death...
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WE come in peace - Shoot to kill shoot to kill
This is typical smokescreen nonsense from a fictional police propaganda Tv.
Intercept earlier = less crime and no death...
detective-boy said:That's what always amuses me about the "Why didn't you just shoot them in the leg ..?" line. OK. So we have a loon with a gun, wanting to shoot someone. I know! Let's shoot him in the leg. Now we'll have a loon with a gun with a sore leg, pissed off with me 'cos his leg hurts a lot ... that's a fucking brilliant idea ...
This is typical smokescreen nonsense from a fictional police propaganda Tv.
Intercept earlier = less crime and no death...
But that is my point. It doesn't always. It may stop this crime but it doesn't stop lots of future crimes.AtticaAnd yes said:
The police get information that a robbery is about to be committed this afternoon at the NatBarclays Bank in Simplisticville-on-Sea. They don't know who is about to do it. They can (a) put a marked police vehicle outside to deter the robbers this afternoon or (b) mount an armed surveillance operation.
(a) may well prevent this crime, but are they never going to rob again? And are the police going to get such accurate information next time so that they can prevent that one as well? And, if they do, how long before the ganag realise they have been grassed up and change their plans, etc. so they can commit successful offences?
(b) may well not prevent this crime, but if the robbers are ambushed and arrested then they will go to prison for a long time (preventing lots more robberies for x years they are inside) and, theoretically, will come out all rehabilitated and never offend again and the sentence will deter others who will go off and do less nasty sorts of crime (fraud, drugs - there is loads of evidence of violent offenders being deflected to non-violent offences) (OK, the second bit may not work, but the first and third do)
Lots of county forces, unskilled in armed intevention tactics, often do (a). The Flying Squad, with years and years of experience in dealing with armed robbers specifically and in developing and using armed intervention tactics on a daily basis, do (b).
In an ideal world, the armed surveillance will be able to anticipate what is happening (bear in mind they may not know what or who they're looking for, just a "robbery, this afternoon") and, I assume, you don't want them jumping too soon and ambushing the wrong people at gunpoint. So it may well be that the robbery has actually started before the interception can be commenced. In that case it IS safer to leave it until it has been completed before intercepting.
So armed intervention IS sometimes the best / only tactic available. There is scope for a debate around using it because of difficulties in convicting for conspiracy offences but you are wrong if you contend that you can deal with the problem by early intervention in every situation. You can't.
It's not you moron. It's what people suggest (including posters on here) all the fucking time. Why would a man with a gun lying on the floor with a shot leg, still holding a gun and being able to aim it be any less of a threat in most circumstances that the same man two seconds earlier?Attica said:
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well what you do is shoot his gun arm simple really as demonstrated by civillian shooter years ago when pistols were still legal.
yes he could put a very nice grouping into the pretend multicolured bad guys target but did'nt seem as keen to try the same stunt with someone shooting at him.
as demonstrated by civillian shooter years ago when pistols were still legal.yes he could put a very nice grouping into the pretend multicolured bad guys target but did'nt seem as keen to try the same stunt with someone shooting at him.
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detective-boy said:
Doh... I said intercept EARLIER...The Black Hand
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detective-boy said:
If that's the case it is an argument for abolishing the police!! Police numbers more than doubled since Thatcher came to power, crime risen 10 fold. Police don't stop crime do they? And if that is true what are they there for???
I say intercept earlier in all cases, if your 'intelligence' is any good then you've got nothing to complain about.
This is exactly what I mean about you living in Simplisticville-on-Sea. Intelligence is NOT an exact science. You never know your intelligence is 100% correct before the interception. It very rarely turns out to have been.Attica said:I say intercept earlier in all cases, if your 'intelligence' is any good then you've got nothing to complain about.
If you are arguing that the police should not intercept until they have 100% reliable intelligence -and that is the trend in media coverage of the issue and associated public opinion - then you might as well give up altogether. It simply isn't possible in the real world.
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detective-boy said:
Doh - that's why I put 'intelligence' in inverted commas, I doubt not only your system of intelligence gathering but also whether the police have any intelligence at all!! Police intelligence is an oxymoron Similar threads
