stephen lawrence centre has its windows smashed

[Treacle Toes]

To have a centre, named after his memory, attacked on an annivesary of his death is beyond coincidence. It's the epitome of both ignorance and racism and as such it's an attack against students regardless of racial group in their drive towards qualification and a better life.

I was misled by this also.

 

[kyser_soze]

I was misled by this also.

Given the lack of accuracy elsewhere in that post I'm shocked and appalled at your fact checking today Rutita

 

[CharlieAddict]

so...was he a drug dealer?

 

[TopCat]

Who, Dave Norris?

 

[CharlieAddict]

nah, i meant stephen lawrence.
cos for the last 4 or 5 years, or whenever the subject of this case comes up - someone (in conversation) always say he was a dealer of some sorts.

i have googled it but that particular story seems to come up on the same crappy site.

nevermind, it's probably balls anyway.

 

[Melinda]

nah, i meant stephen lawrence.
cos for the last 4 or 5 years, or whenever the subject of this case comes up - someone (in conversation) always say he was a dealer of some sorts.

i have googled it but that particular story seems to come up on the same crappy site.

nevermind, it's probably balls anyway.

Perhaps that says more about you and the people you consort with than Stephen Lawrence?

Smearing a murdered teen.

*two thumbs up*

 

[CharlieAddict]

Perhaps that says more about you and the people you consort with than Stephen Lawrence?

Smearing a murdered teen.

*two thumbs up*

...it's 'a murdered black teen.'

and who said anything about smearing? just asking a question about a rumour that's pretty popular around here.

and get off your high horse.

*two thumbs up and a pat on the head*

 

[Melinda]

You have a point, but I could only find Nick Griffin making it.

BNP leader Nick Griffin denied student Stephen Lawrence was murdered by racists, it was claimed yesterday.

Instead he said the 18-year-old - stabbed to death 12 years ago - was a drug dealer killed by "another black", a court heard.

Referring to Stephen's murder as he walked with his friend Duwayne Brooks in Eltham, South East London, in April 1993, he said: "Everyone down there knows he was notorious for taxing kids for their dinner money and he was a drug dealer.

"According to many people within the Metropolitan Police, he was killed by another black - not a white racist attack at all."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obj...-was-not-murdered-by-racists---name_page.html

Another report here:

The court heard that Griffin made another speech on May 5, 2004, at Morley Town Hall, West Yorks, in which he discussed the BNP as an alternative to the other political parties. He criticised the amount of attention the media had given to the Stephen Lawrence murder inquiry, describing Mr Lawrence as a drug-dealer who was notorious in the area for taking cash from children.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/18/nbnp18.xml


The only drug dealer involved in this story is Clifford Norris, father of David Norris, one of the five accused of killing Stephen. Better check the sources of your 'popular rumours.'

 

[CharlieAddict]

thanks for that.

(like i said, the rumours were more based on conversations and they have been going on for years. not my intention to smear).

 

[Dan U]

Sounds very much like the centre exists, in a very narrow sense, to further the ambitions of those capable to climb the economic ladder. It seems to have very little to do with the wider community and how people from all backgrounds can come togather to build a community one would be proud to part off.

Its very sad when success is defined purely in economic terms and in relation to an education which for many is not accessible or even desirable.

i don't read it as bad as that.

but i do wonder if, for example, that local floating support services for young people are able to use it as a drop in centre or a facility to use and engage with difficult to reach young people.

these can be quite thin on the ground - and engaging with young people is the place to start. anything that helps with that is good imo.

thats kids from the entire community as well - this could be a very positive building.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Given the lack of accuracy elsewhere in that post I'm shocked and appalled at your fact checking today Rutita

Sorry to have disappointed you.

*hangs head in shame*

 

[Treacle Toes]

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just asking a question about a rumour that's pretty popular around here.
*

Around where exactly?

 

[CharlieAddict]

Around where exactly?

london - tottenham, brixton, tooting bec, kent (bromley and eltham) and heard it at work in victoria.

e2a - just surprised how not so many of you have heard this one.

 

[STFC]

I've heard the same rumours, can't remember if it was on here or elsewhere though. No idea whether there is any truth in it or not.

 

[TopCat]

I have heard the rumours too but tend to think they are bollocks.

 

[kyser_soze]

I've heard the same rumours, can't remember if it was on here or elsewhere though. No idea whether there is any truth in it or not.

Does it matter? Racists will seize upon it as an example of injustice; the DailyMail types will mutter about PC-ness; anti-racism groups will treat it as an example of shocking racism; and someone, somewhere, will find an angle to get some money from it.

He's a talisman, a cypher - even if it were true that he was a bully or a dealer this wouldn't alter the narratives for those who care - for the racists it would vindicate them, for the DM crowd it would lead to a round of 'told you so's and the Lawrence group would use it as a moral story for how he was trying to work himself away from that lifestyle into something positive and he still maintains his canonical status - if anything, and if it were true and the press was handled correctly, he'd be even more lionized as a tragic, pointless death.

FWIW I think they're bollocks as well...

 

[Melinda]

thanks for that.

(like i said, the rumours were more based on conversations and they have been going on for years. not my intention to smear).

NP, Im HTH.

Im from the South East London/ Kent borders and know the areas involved intimately. Ive also experienced first hand the lengths, machinations/ contortions/ suspensions of disbelief to which people go in order to remove the 'racist' part of Stephen's murder or to smear Stephen and his parents. Its nasty stuff.

Eltham, Welling, Bexleyheath, parts of Greenwich were rife with it at the time and in subsequent years. I thought it had died down.

One rumour I heard was Stephen was alive in Jamaica escaping a drug charge and his parents were making shit loads of money from compensation and TV interviews.

 

[STFC]

Just found this old thread:

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=82540&highlight=stephen+lawrence+dealer

 

[TopCat]

he lives with elvis in the sky.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Just found this old thread:

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=82540&highlight=stephen+lawrence+dealer

Did you see the OP was banned?

 

[STFC]

Did you see the OP was banned?

Indeed I did, I remember that poster well. I'm not saying the rumours are true, just that we'd had the same discussion before.

 

[kyser_soze]

Blimey, I remember it...

 

[Treacle Toes]

Blimey, I remember it...

Topcat has just bumped it to say that he collects his drugs from his dealer at a bus stop....it's like new evidence that SL was a drug dealer.

*locked now.

 

[TopCat]

Topcat has just bumped it to say that he collects his drugs from his dealer at a bus stop....it's like new evidence that SL was a drug dealer.

I don't think that at all you smearing cunt.

 

[TopCat]

I have heard the rumours too but tend to think they are bollocks.

Read the thread ruttmoron.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I don't think that at all you smearing cunt.

NIceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! You speak just like your friends.

 

[Melinda]

I don't think that at all you smearing cunt.

What's with the insults?

STFC linked to the thread, but why bump it?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Read the thread ruttmoron.

I did, I have....so what was your point exactly?
Bump a 4 year old thread.
Then post that you pick up your drugs at a bus stop.
You are not making sense.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Read the thread ruttmoron.

Oh! another?

 

[TopCat]

What's with the insults?

STFC linked to the thread, but why bump it?

I am rather annoyed because fuckface above has asserted that I put forward a view sugegsting that SL was a drug dealer. It's complete bollocks as anyone who actually read the thread would have realised. Consequently i think he/she has just tried to smear me. A cunts trick pure and simple.

As for this bumping business, I can and will bump what I want. When I read the last posts on the thread STFC linked to I had relevant information, particulary as I have just rang my dealer and will be meeting him at a Thornton Heath bus stop later this afternoon.