Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by bluestreak, Feb 14, 2008.
Some great vox pops on BBC London news
"yeh, but like, it can't have been a racist attack cos there's lots of black people who live round here too"
That Scuba car looks wicked!!
Obviously a terrible act but it can hardly help community relations when they build something like this where poor kids of all ethnicities live and then state that it's there to "improve the educational achievements of black and ethnic-minority students"
Why make statements like that? I can't see any benefit and it just hands propaganda into the hands of the far right.
'black and ethnic-minority students' - fuck, don't i hate that term. more exclusive than inclusive.
Probably was racially motivated but I remember when I lived in Eltham and the plaque thingy there was vandalised and it turned out to have been a mixed race fella with mental health problems if I recall correctly so I'm not jumping to conclusions.
Who knows if its a racist thing but its pretty tragic nonetheless.
Wouldn't it have been a little wise to have invested in some decent CCTV if you're going to have 15k windows though?
The £15k per window sounds like a classic Daily Mail/Standard philistine approach to assuming that anything artist designed is worth the artist's latest auction price.
Despite toughened glass and CCTV, Vong Phaophanit's Ash and Silk Wall - on the river frontage near the Thames Barrier - was destroyed by south east London vandals back in the late 90s, but I don't recall a racial motive being ascribed to that.
No proof it was racially motivated. Could have just been youngsters throwing stones. Happens a lot in London.
I've come to accept that state funded 'race relations' is about alienating the indigenous population and fueling division. theres no inclusivity to it. no unity.
People are cunts.
I like to believe, that in an equitable society people behave graciously and where there is inequity then indeed people are cunts.
Hopefully it's just me reduced to hopeless profanity by current events, but FUCK me.
Regardless of his race or colour Stephen Lawrence was a glowing example for working class lads or lasses in being a solid student determined to make a career for himself beyond his origins. This lad was going to study law, and left alone to do that by now he'd have been a cracking example of how chasing education is the way to make a better society for the lot of us.
To have a centre, named after his memory, attacked on an annivesary of his death is beyond coincidence. It's the epitome of both ignorance and racism and as such it's an attack against students regardless of racial group in their drive towards qualification and a better life.
Very true. There is a lot of inequity about.
I hate vandalism. Hard to tel if it's racially motivated, my guess is it's just some local drugged-up chavvy teenage scumbags who saw this nice new shiny building and thought they would have a pop at it. I doubt they even knew what it was or what it represents. Just mindless vandalism, ie becasue it's there, lets smash the windows.
I think politicians and others are jumping the gun a bit here tbh, calling it racially motivated.
This bit annoys me:
" Borough Commander for Lewisham, Ch Supt Alan Pughsley, said: "I have decided the incident will be treated as racially motivated because of the iconic status of the building which has been subject to previous acts of vandalism whilst being built."
Loads of building get attacked while they are being constructed, the flats where my mum lives had windows smashed while it was being built, and others around here have had the same thing happen.
I've read this six times now and all the words make sense individually but I still have no idea at all what the Stephen Lawrence Centre is for.
Why is this vandal attack any different to the vandal attacks on a BLESMA hall, or a British Legion? Surely this should be condemned as a vandal attack, unless there is some hard evidence that it is a racially motivated vandal attack? Why the presumption of racism?
It was done on the anniversary of his death, to start with...
front page news eh ???? windows broken in depford.
Sounds very much like the centre exists, in a very narrow sense, to further the ambitions of those capable to climb the economic ladder. It seems to have very little to do with the wider community and how people from all backgrounds can come togather to build a community one would be proud to part off.
Its very sad when success is defined purely in economic terms and in relation to an education which for many is not accessible or even desirable.
IIRC he died in April, not February.
Especially given the section of society doing worst in education is working class white boys.
Anyway can you lot make sure you spell Stephen Lawrences name properly? It's "murdered black teenager Stephen Lawrence".
Don't shot the messenger, it said it in the article in the OP.
1. Vandalism in Deptford... obviously it'll be racially motivated, cos there's never been vandalism there before
2. 'This lad was going to study law'. No, he was going to study architecture, which is part of the thinking behind getting award-winning (TM) black architects and artists to design and fit out the thing
3. Those windows could easily cost £15K each
All that aside, it's sad that something good in a deprived community gets treated this way full stop
Posh community hall with a bias towards urban planning ideas and free/cheap space for local artists and small creative industry type businesses.
No it didn't. It said it was the anniversery of the Mcpherson enquiry that asserted that Stephen died as a result of a racist attack.
Given the awful depressing state of much of Deptford's housing and schools you could fortell this place was not going to go down well with many residents.
There's a great architect's house just off the Creek road end of the high street, but it's protected by giant fuck off steel gates which is what I'd describe as a sensible appoach to putting anything that modern in Deptford!
For the record I lived in Deptford for a year in halls and while it's not the nicest bit of London, I really liked it so this isn't a bash the poor comment..
Okay, I sit corrected.
Separate names with a comma.