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Stephen Fry - the secret life of the manic depressive, tonight

I adore Stephen Fry anyway, always have done since I first saw him on the tele and this programme just confirms that I think he's a wonderful bloke :)

I know of a couple of people who manage their BP through mood charts and stress management very successfully. They say that if they can limit the downs, make sure they're not horrid ones, then the manics are far more manageable for them (they refuse drugs cos they both need their creative side for their work) :)
 
aqua said:
I adore Stephen Fry anyway, always have done since I first saw him on the tele and this programme just confirms that I think he's a wonderful bloke :)

I know of a couple of people who manage their BP through mood charts and stress management very successfully. They say that if they can limit the downs, make sure they're not horrid ones, then the manics are far more manageable for them (they refuse drugs cos they both need their creative side for their work) :)

I did a mood chart for months and it's very useful, can recommend it for everyone with any depression as well as you see patterns developing.

The highs e.g. not sleeping and you think oh oh, you can maybe curb with sleepers for a bit for me personally.

However the lows ( in my case get aching joints,muscles, unusual tiredness preceding the mental symptoms by a few days ),,you know they're coming as you've charted it, but can't actually take steps to offset it.

All you can do is warn people you're going to be a stroppy git. :)
 
aqua said:
I adore Stephen Fry anyway, always have done since I first saw him on the tele and this programme just confirms that I think he's a wonderful bloke :)

I know of a couple of people who manage their BP through mood charts and stress management very successfully. They say that if they can limit the downs, make sure they're not horrid ones, then the manics are far more manageable for them (they refuse drugs cos they both need their creative side for their work) :)

I think it does depend on the BP and on the individual how well you can manage it on your own. The searing honesty and level of self-awareness of the participants in the programme about their condition would suggest to me that they are likely to have a much better chance of success of managing the symptoms without medical intervention.

My father has BP and if he hadn't taken lithium he would have probably had to be sectioned as he became very violent. But his illness is a massive secret - he doesn't even know his children know about it. He comes from a generation where mental illness is a very shameful thing I suppose but it makes me really sad that he has always felt he couldn't discuss it. These programmes have really helped me - Stephen Fry has just gone up another notch in my estimation. :)
 
Watched again last night... I'm really glad Stephen Fry has done these programmes.

My only gripe with last night's programme is that it seemed to focus on a particular type of sufferer. Fry spoke to the families of three women – the one who committed suicide under the train, the ex-B&Q financial director and the Oxford graduate who wanted to be a writer. All three women were high achievers, very bright and from middle-class homes. They were also highly creative and talented. Their mania could be channelled into a creative pursuit somehow – certainly for the writer, it seemed that when she was on a high, that was good for her writing.

I was left thinking I would have liked to see more about manic depression in other types of people, such as those without an obvious creative outlet or pursuit. Watching the programme, you could be left with the impression that everyone who is bipolar must be some kind of creative genius or great intellect. So what about the sufferers with little formal education, working in menial jobs and without any creative leanings? What happens when they are in the grip of mania and have no artistic outlet? How do they cope with manic depression and how does the mental health system treat them?

I'm not knocking the programme for not showing a wider range of examples, but I was left wondering about other people in the community of manic depression sufferers, not just the bright talented ones.
 
Dhimmi said:
I assume eventually actions such as laughing, cheering or crying will be marked as disorder, and only the folk in grey will be "normal".

Hang on. Didn't they make a film about that already? What the bloody hell was it called... :confused:
 
Skim: agree. I felt it was very much from the perspective of Fry's world - educated, talented, over achieving.

However I still love him to bits and would add him to my dream dinner party guest list. In fact, I'd be very happy if he were the only guest*

*Plus Bill Bailey. They could do a live version of QI just for my own entertainment:)
 
secretsquirrel said:
Skim: agree. I felt it was very much from the perspective of Fry's world - educated, talented, over achieving.

However I still love him to bits and would add him to my dream dinner party guest list. In fact, I'd be very happy if he were the only guest*

*Plus Bill Bailey. They could do a live version of QI just for my own entertainment:)


I am a Stephen Fry fan as well, although before this programme I had gone through a period of getting quite fed up with him and his utter cleverness. But now I've seen him smoking morosely and calling himself a worthless cunt, I love him more than ever.

Fry and Bailey would be the coolest dinner guests ever. I'd probably pee my pants with mirth and delight halfway through the starter, in fact :cool:
 
Skim said:
Watched again last night... I'm really glad Stephen Fry has done these programmes.

My only gripe with last night's programme is that it seemed to focus on a particular type of sufferer. Fry spoke to the families of three women – the one who committed suicide under the train, the ex-B&Q financial director and the Oxford graduate who wanted to be a writer. All three women were high achievers, very bright and from middle-class homes. They were also highly creative and talented. Their mania could be channelled into a creative pursuit somehow – certainly for the writer, it seemed that when she was on a high, that was good for her writing.

I was left thinking I would have liked to see more about manic depression in other types of people, such as those without an obvious creative outlet or pursuit. Watching the programme, you could be left with the impression that everyone who is bipolar must be some kind of creative genius or great intellect. So what about the sufferers with little formal education, working in menial jobs and without any creative leanings? What happens when they are in the grip of mania and have no artistic outlet? How do they cope with manic depression and how does the mental health system treat them?

I'm not knocking the programme for not showing a wider range of examples, but I was left wondering about other people in the community of manic depression sufferers, not just the bright talented ones.


Well I was thinking just that!! I noticed that the in the previous episode there was the ex army woman that was having a really bad low..she was the only one who said she would rather not have it...and ther was nothng about her being particuarly creative or high acheving....
 
tricky choices

free spirit said:
as I say if I am bipolar it's probably a fairly mild version so my views relate to me not those with a more severe version as I can see how if it was much more severe it could be much more problematic, though the thought of the huge amount of medication some of the people in the programme are on still scares me:eek:
totally understandable, but as the lover, carer and best friend of a bipolar uncontroller, the most scary thing of all is having to deal with that person on the outside when they're threatening to break both your legs, lock the door and cut you up into little pieces.... and you know they're manic and you know they need help.
you just have to weather it to a point. but when it becomes a severe danger to your family, things have to be addressed - the sooner you start, the sooner you MIGHT be able to get off the drugs and the more of a happy, stable life you are allowed to have.
 
funkcutter said:
totally understandable, but as the lover, carer and best friend of a bipolar uncontroller, the most scary thing of all is having to deal with that person on the outside when they're threatening to break both your legs, lock the door and cut you up into little pieces.... and you know they're manic and you know they need help.
you just have to weather it to a point. but when it becomes a severe danger to your family, things have to be addressed - the sooner you start, the sooner you MIGHT be able to get off the drugs and the more of a happy, stable life you are allowed to have.

Yep - and that's the side of mania that they didn't show. But I can understand why not. No one likes to admit that their family have had to lock them in/out of a room because from previous experience they know that there is every possibility they might kill you.

The other thing people do in a manic phase is go on a mad spending spree. My cousin left her two under five year olds alone in the house, drove to Heathrow and it was only when she'd maxed out their joint credit card in New York that her husband found out where she was.

Mania is not that entertaining when you're not in the arts. Medication has helped both my cousin and my dad deal with their mania. My dad says that life is less fun on lithium but it became slightly less scary for his wife and children.
 
Plenty of people who are manic depressive never get violent at all.

Rather than "that's the side of mania that they didn't show" I'd be happier with "that's *a* side of mania they didn't show" - maybe this is what you mean anyway but as someone who has had problems with bipolar in the past I am kind of sensitive to comments like this.

Manic episodes are typically about being very hyper, energetic and "up" - delusions often are simply seeing the world in a very trippy way (like the guy who swore he saw people who he knew were 'angels').

For some people this also involves paranoia, anger and even violence but I'd like to point out that people suffering with both bipolar and schizophrenia are far more likely to be victims of violence than to commit violent acts themselves, and also that being violent is not an automatic part of being manic, having delusions or being bipolar. Going on 'mad spending sprees' isn't automatic either - some people do, some don't. People will react differently to 'run away' emotions nd feelings, and they might channel their 'delusions' (flights of fancy) in different ways - in some people it can help inspire lots of ideas and make them more productive (in a short burst, followed by long slumps) whereas for someone else it might make it hard to focus on anything much. Some people get a mixture of both.

You have to be careful about taking the behaviour of one person who has been given a diagnosis (eg biploar) and generalising this behaviour to other people - just like "normal" people, people with illnesses are unique individuals as well, and may well act and react differently, and have different sets of symptoms and behaviour.
 
Did anyone happen to notice when this is being repeated on E4 or ITV2 or BBC3 or whichever channel it is?

I saw the first installment and really would like to see part 2, but I was out tonight.
 
Three things I have seen today which tie in with some of the things I have posted already:

1. On Monday evening channel 4 "Dispatches" - "Britain's Mental Health Scandal"

summary: http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/D/dispatches2006/mental_health/index.html

"One patient sums up her experience by saying: "It's the best way to make someone have a nervous breakdown, being in this place." Another says: "If you're not mad when you come in, you will be by the time you leave.""

nb. If you get the chance to see this it will give you a far better idea of the average person's experience of in-patient treatment with the NHS (compared with Fry's luxury room in the private hospital etc.). If anything the film under-represented how totally shit and counter-productive things can be IMO.

2. Call to wipe out schizophrenia as catch-all tag (today's Guardian)

3. Voices in the head 'are normal' (BBC article)
 
TeeJay said:
Plenty of people who are manic depressive never get violent at all.

Rather than "that's the side of mania that they didn't show" I'd be happier with "that's *a* side of mania they didn't show" - maybe this is what you mean anyway but as someone who has had problems with bipolar in the past I am kind of sensitive to comments like this.

Sorry if my post was unclear - that was of course what I meant. I'm just saying that manic periods are not necessarily the places of joy and creativity the programme made them out to be. I was just giving two examples of where that isn't the case at all - both unfortunately members of my own family. And obviously I can only talk from my personal experience - I'm not an expert on the issue, nor have I ever pretended to be. :)
 
trashpony said:
Sorry if my post was unclear - that was of course what I meant. I'm just saying that manic periods are not necessarily the places of joy and creativity the programme made them out to be. I was just giving two examples of where that isn't the case at all - both unfortunately members of my own family. And obviously I can only talk from my personal experience - I'm not an expert on the issue, nor have I ever pretended to be. :)

I'd agree from own experience manic episodes are pretty horrible for me - constantly frustrated agitiated and irritable - my ideas go too fast for my body and you can't concentrate on one thing for more than a few minutes, it boiols over into a very unproductive and destructive time very easily from the first initial lift ( as you're going up ) - just my experience like

Oh and that Dispatches programme is well worth seeing if it's repeated .
 
kalidarkone said:
I was very interested in the woman who managed her bi polar disorder through diet and stress management.

Stephen Fry,although contemplating making changes, to try and manage his mental health, seemed largely resistant. I also think the girl undergoing CBT, may have echoed his fears, the idea that managing the manic side too much would stifle any creativity and he would not be able to live up to the expectations that people had of him. He was almost dismissive of the idea of him cutting down his work load. I think he is very hard on himself an as much as he wants to feel better,he is frightend of making changes...which lets face it is most people!

Fairplay to him for leting us see what he is like when he is low,thats was obviously very hard for him.

I also see elements of my self in all of this, but not anywhere near the extremes shown.

Yeah, the diet stuff really interested me, I have read a bit before about the effect of diet on mood and I would like to know more and actually act on it.

The programme (I must be the last person in the world to see it, thanks Uknova!) I found very moving actually. I noted the middle classness of most of the participants too, but also, was interested in the idea of the stress factor being a major trigger - he didn't really touch on the way that for many people simply 'having less stress' isn't an option that appears readily available, or on financial support for people with such a condition - I did kind of monder wahat a manic depressive fork lift truck driver with four kids and a mortgage in middlesborough would be able to do.

However, what the title suggested, was it was an exploration of the illness from his perspective and as such, my comments above don't stand as criticisms, just areas I wish had also been touched upon.

There is a brilliant longer TV series to be made on depression I think, you could look at art motivated by it, causes of it, i.e. architecture that creates it, lifestyles, diets, you could look at medication in the young, at drug culture, suicide cults, 'emos,' societal expecatins, body politic, isolation, spiritual well being in a materialistic society, all sorts of things - I do think it is something that is not spoken about enough and thus acknowledgement of depression tends only to happen when people can't function properly.

I do also think that one reason it isn't talked about enough (in a none 'oh, isn't it awful' way, but a in serious discourse is that it opens up many questions about our environment, our world and our work.
 
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