lostexpectation
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mears said:
no they just deport him back to that country! not our problem
Step closure to war on Iran
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no they just deport him back to that country! not our problem
nino_savatte
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mears said:
This is typical mears: he likes to present himself as the most rational person on Urban, yet he is dishonest and doesn't take too kindly to people exposing his dishonesty. He has put me on ignore for one reason only: I refused to answer his stupid question about my "beliefs".
If someone asks you to delcare your "beliefs" they are doing it for a reason: to sideline you or to try and divert attention away from themselves. mears does this all the time.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
mears said:
Van Gogh was a racist and a misogynist. Trust mears to create his own warped narrative.
Jonti said:
I think innocent civilians killed in any war is terrible. I believe the innocents killed by the US army is terrible. I believe the killing of thousands of innocents by Iraqi insurgents is terrible. I believe the innocents killed by the Taliban and Saddam is terrible
Russia won't stand by if Iran is attacked!
Just saw this on Guardian CIF, is this the case, would they defend Iran and would China, what would be the outcome?
'Blair staying on long enough to help Bush and Israel sort out Iran? Well, completely ignored in our media is Russia's formal announcement last week that they will not tolerate a military attack on Iran under any circumstances.China will,no doubt, follow suit.They are drawing a belated line in the sand. If anyone has the qualifications for provoking WW3 then it must to be the Bush/Blair/Israel axis.If we are to avoid this impending nuclear holocaust, then we must get rid of Blair as a first step.Time is running out fast.'
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Just saw this on Guardian CIF, is this the case, would they defend Iran and would China, what would be the outcome?
'Blair staying on long enough to help Bush and Israel sort out Iran? Well, completely ignored in our media is Russia's formal announcement last week that they will not tolerate a military attack on Iran under any circumstances.China will,no doubt, follow suit.They are drawing a belated line in the sand. If anyone has the qualifications for provoking WW3 then it must to be the Bush/Blair/Israel axis.If we are to avoid this impending nuclear holocaust, then we must get rid of Blair as a first step.Time is running out fast.'
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pk
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mears said:
American military strategy is "wrong wrong wrong" 99.9 percent of the time anyway, don't sweat it Mears.
Iran would kick your ass, lined up with Iraq.
Wouldn't it be ironic that the USA were caught in the deadly trap between the two nations it set up to destroy each other in the Eighties?
No pity from me, Mears. You deserve it.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
mears said:
Say it like you mean it, mears. Somehow I don't think this outpouring of 'sympathy' is genuine.
This man invented the word "mendacity".
lostexpectation
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treelover said:
What convinced Russia and China to allow an attack on Iraq? Was Russia in particular activley opposed to an attack on Iraq? unlike French and Germany who were worriedly about their contracts?
Is there any evidence that any contracts influenced national government policy?
Both nations made it quite clear why they opposed specific wordings of proposed UN resolutions.
US claims that this was due to economic interests is nothing more than ... well ... claims.
Both nations made it quite clear why they opposed specific wordings of proposed UN resolutions.
US claims that this was due to economic interests is nothing more than ... well ... claims.
newharper said:
The BBC has repeated this at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5058488.stm
me said:
Posted to BBC via http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_3950000/newsid_3955200/3955259.stm
Something left out of this story are the ethnic minorities, or non - Shia, within Iran. Ensuring their loyalty can become an increasing burden for the central government in Tehran when many of these groups reside far from the capital.
Covert support for Iranian minorities (and Tehran has already accused the US and UK of this) can make life that much harder for the Mullahs in Tehran.
Something between economic sanctions and full blown invasion. This is the path I expect the Bush administration to follow.
Covert support for Iranian minorities (and Tehran has already accused the US and UK of this) can make life that much harder for the Mullahs in Tehran.
Something between economic sanctions and full blown invasion. This is the path I expect the Bush administration to follow.
How dare you try and rationalise the proposed deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. You think Iran will go down easy? They beat Iraq well enough, The Iraqis with their $40bn of US funding, I might add.
They can sink US ships, they can incite terror attacks (which will see all our rights disappear, the govt will love it), they could even invade Iraq, supported by the local population don`t forget.
Do you have any idea of the consequences? Your such an idiot. These are peoples lives, entire nations your playing around your head. Jesus.
Are you aware it was your own government who gave them the means to start a nuclear power programme?
You need to realise the nature of govt. Look at history, it is the history of war and tyranny! Where do we find ourselves YET AGAIN? In times of escalating tyranny and approaching war.... This cycle will never end unless we REMEMBER HISTORY. Do you know anything about the constitution, the war of independence, the writings of the founding fathers, the words of lincoln, the admissions of wilson, the words of kennedy....
Please, i`m asking you as simply another person who has to live their life on this planet too. They`re stealing you blind as well, I cannot understand your support for this poison.
They can sink US ships, they can incite terror attacks (which will see all our rights disappear, the govt will love it), they could even invade Iraq, supported by the local population don`t forget.
Do you have any idea of the consequences? Your such an idiot. These are peoples lives, entire nations your playing around your head. Jesus.
Are you aware it was your own government who gave them the means to start a nuclear power programme?
You need to realise the nature of govt. Look at history, it is the history of war and tyranny! Where do we find ourselves YET AGAIN? In times of escalating tyranny and approaching war.... This cycle will never end unless we REMEMBER HISTORY. Do you know anything about the constitution, the war of independence, the writings of the founding fathers, the words of lincoln, the admissions of wilson, the words of kennedy....
Please, i`m asking you as simply another person who has to live their life on this planet too. They`re stealing you blind as well, I cannot understand your support for this poison.
Azrael23 said:How dare you try and rationalise the proposed deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. You think Iran will go down easy? They beat Iraq well enough, The Iraqis with their $40bn of US funding, I might add.
They can sink US ships, they can incite terror attacks (which will see all our rights disappear, the govt will love it), they could even invade Iraq, supported by the local population don`t forget.
Do you have any idea of the consequences? Your such an idiot. These are peoples lives, entire nations your playing around your head. Jesus.
Are you aware it was your own government who gave them the means to start a nuclear power programme?
You need to realise the nature of govt. Look at history, it is the history of war and tyranny! Where do we find ourselves YET AGAIN? In times of escalating tyranny and approaching war.... This cycle will never end unless we REMEMBER HISTORY. Do you know anything about the constitution, the war of independence, the writings of the founding fathers, the words of lincoln, the admissions of wilson, the words of kennedy....
Please, i`m asking you as simply another person who has to live their life on this planet too. They`re stealing you blind as well, I cannot understand your support for this poison.
Even though countries like Pakistan, India and Israel have a nuclear weapon doesn't mean the world should just sit back as Iran acquires the bomb. Iran gets a nuclear weapon and her best friend Syria will want one. The proud state of Egypt would feel left out an so would Saudi Arabia. Close your eyes and whamo! every country in the ME has the bomb!
All these countries will probably have nuclear weapons some day, but I believe its better to hold them off as long as possible. They are all unstable dictatorships with governing systems from the 19th century. Who know where the bombs could end up one day...
And in the real world countries need to back up their economic sanctions with the threat of military actions, otherwise you take a powerful threat off the table.
sleaterkinney
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Pakistan is a military dictatorship which has the bomb and it doesn't seem to bother you much, it is much more likely to use it as well. The bomb issue is just a smokescreen to enable USUK to destabilise a country in the middle east because it has a lot of oil which the oil companies can't get to, same as Iraq it's thieving pure and simple.mears said:
david dissadent
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Care to exand on that I seem to have a large gap in my knowledge of modern history, I had the Iran Iraq war as a brutal stalemate.Azrael23 said:
sleaterkinney said:
I think the big worry is that the nuclear weapons would fall into islamic fundamentalist hands in Pakistan. Its an unstable country and musharraf has escaped a couple of assasination attempts in Pakistan. And if he was in fact killed who would take over?
The US and EU are not far apart on Iran. Do the research. European intelligence agencies have enabled the CIA to conduct secret interrogation camps in Europe. European governments know what is at stake in Iraq and Iran, especially when Europe has problems assimilating their Muslim immigrants.
Even Russia knows whats at stake. No one wants a nuclear armed Middle East.
It is enevidable ya know, We MUST gain control and administrate the Middle East, if not the entire World will be diminished, or lost.
So ya wanna another Dark age? doesnt that sound nice for your grandkids?
Since so few around here can think big enough, again,
Iraq was a battle, Afganistan was a battle, Iran will be a battle sooner or later.
Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, ya know how we Know this? because they havent used it.
Syria is the same way.
so, do you think Yemen would Not set off a nuke if they had one?
all the "bodnage" aside when ya start useing the word "nuclear" all the bull shaaaaving cream stops.
Iran is preparing to build nuclar weapons, do you believe thay would Not if they could?
the other Nuclear power in the region may act with out warning and Nuke Iranian nuclear reactor assets at any moment, That means now.
So, iraq we got approx 3000 dead, ya wanna trade that for 300 million?
I think it is enevidable.
They will not stop.
and we (the western world) will have to kill most of them.
kinda simple isnt it.
dont cha just hate that!
see Oil means very little compared to nuclear annaliation.
it would only take one device set off in one city to bring great changes to the US and the entire world.
after all this is over what will you tell your children? that you supported stopping the war back when it was a trifle thing?
or that your support of the enemy helped spurr on this whole thing?
See, You may not think that they are your enemy but they think that way.
They would kill All of us with Happy abandon.
dont think so?
move to Terahn and live there for a year.....
So ya wanna another Dark age? doesnt that sound nice for your grandkids?
Since so few around here can think big enough, again,
Iraq was a battle, Afganistan was a battle, Iran will be a battle sooner or later.
Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, ya know how we Know this? because they havent used it.
Syria is the same way.
so, do you think Yemen would Not set off a nuke if they had one?
all the "bodnage" aside when ya start useing the word "nuclear" all the bull shaaaaving cream stops.
Iran is preparing to build nuclar weapons, do you believe thay would Not if they could?
the other Nuclear power in the region may act with out warning and Nuke Iranian nuclear reactor assets at any moment, That means now.
So, iraq we got approx 3000 dead, ya wanna trade that for 300 million?
I think it is enevidable.
They will not stop.
and we (the western world) will have to kill most of them.
kinda simple isnt it.
dont cha just hate that!
see Oil means very little compared to nuclear annaliation.
it would only take one device set off in one city to bring great changes to the US and the entire world.
after all this is over what will you tell your children? that you supported stopping the war back when it was a trifle thing?
or that your support of the enemy helped spurr on this whole thing?
See, You may not think that they are your enemy but they think that way.
They would kill All of us with Happy abandon.
dont think so?
move to Terahn and live there for a year.....
Indeed.mears said:
I agree with you there.mears said:
Which is, btw, why I found the US's accusations against France and Russia that they were opposing action against Iraq on economic grounds so ridiculous.
I'm sure we'll get those same rubbish arguments again, this time regarding trade links with Iran.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Another fundamentalist Muslim intelligence operative much like Musharaf himself, one supposes.mears said:
Except that there already is one if you're not stupid enough to ignore Israel.
Brasil have announced they are enriching uranium.
"The U.N. nuclear watchdog is negotiating with the Brazilian government to ensure that a new uranium enrichment facility due to begin operating next year is properly safeguarded, the agency said on Friday. Several Western diplomats told Reuters on condition of anonymity that Brazil was not considered a problem state
Iran -- the guardian reported in august 2005 that The main European powers last night pressured the UN nuclear authority into ordering Iran to freeze its nuclear activities.
When investigating why this has come about we find that the whole 'concern' comes from the fact that Iran cannot prove that between 1995-2002 it didnt persue the p2 program.
Past 'concerns' were raised by CIA Director James Woolsey in 1993 stating that the U.S. is concerned about Iran’s nuclear potential, even though Iran is still 8 to 10 years away from being able to produce its own nuclear weapons.
U.S. intelligence chief James Woolsey says that Iran is developing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons with the assistance of the PRC and Russia.
The Iran concern has nothing to do with Nukes, it is a long term plan being carried out by US interests to control Iran. The problem will go back even futher to Mohammed Mossadegh, the Shah and when he was kicked out in 1979 after Martial Law was declared.
US concerns in Iran are coming back round. Nothing short of Bush and cronies impeachment will stop Iran being invaded unfortunately the interests behind Bush and cronies will remain to emerge again.
"The U.N. nuclear watchdog is negotiating with the Brazilian government to ensure that a new uranium enrichment facility due to begin operating next year is properly safeguarded, the agency said on Friday. Several Western diplomats told Reuters on condition of anonymity that Brazil was not considered a problem state
Iran -- the guardian reported in august 2005 that The main European powers last night pressured the UN nuclear authority into ordering Iran to freeze its nuclear activities.
When investigating why this has come about we find that the whole 'concern' comes from the fact that Iran cannot prove that between 1995-2002 it didnt persue the p2 program.
This is the basis for the recent 'concern', proving something they havent done.
Past 'concerns' were raised by CIA Director James Woolsey in 1993 stating that the U.S. is concerned about Iran’s nuclear potential, even though Iran is still 8 to 10 years away from being able to produce its own nuclear weapons.
U.S. intelligence chief James Woolsey says that Iran is developing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons with the assistance of the PRC and Russia.
The Iran concern has nothing to do with Nukes, it is a long term plan being carried out by US interests to control Iran. The problem will go back even futher to Mohammed Mossadegh, the Shah and when he was kicked out in 1979 after Martial Law was declared.
US concerns in Iran are coming back round. Nothing short of Bush and cronies impeachment will stop Iran being invaded unfortunately the interests behind Bush and cronies will remain to emerge again.
david dissadent
New Member
Senators Richard Luger and Chuck Hegel (senior republicans) seem pretty determined to stop it.zArk said:
John Bolton [FT 9th June]
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/1646671/posts
The IAEA cannot prove Irans programme is purely peaceful because access to A Q Khan is being denied by Pakistan.
plus with the recent comments of Mark Malloch Brown, Bolton is threatening to pull the plug on financing the UN. A pretty powerful tool, more so than Veto power.
A move which has no legal foothold and a move which the UN may have to consider if it wishes to continue functioning in light of the US's economic power.
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/1646671/posts
The IAEA cannot prove Irans programme is purely peaceful because access to A Q Khan is being denied by Pakistan.
plus with the recent comments of Mark Malloch Brown, Bolton is threatening to pull the plug on financing the UN. A pretty powerful tool, more so than Veto power.
A move which has no legal foothold and a move which the UN may have to consider if it wishes to continue functioning in light of the US's economic power.
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