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Steely Dan

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Mallard said:
Am a Drake fan myself. I've always seemed to attract Cohen fans to. Probably cos I'm a dashing (but miserable) git ;)
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I can see how the two could be lumped in together; but as I see it, one is a talented singer songwriter, experimental and poetic, with darkly humourous observations, and the other is a floppy haired hippy tosser.
 
I like Steely Dan. So there.
But I do seem to have to have a slightly defensive tone when saying it, so I know it's wrong deep down.
Aja and Gaucho are my favourite of their albums.
 
cesare said:
Do those disliking Steely Dan dislike just the band or jazz fusion in general?
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Both. Jazz fusion is the worst music ever - see also Weather Report, Chick Corea etc. But Steely Dan were a bit apart from that scene and were beloved of more mainstream muso types too. Either was, a totally totally disgusting band. I can't begin to explain how much I loathe everything about them
 
Dubversion said:
Both. Jazz fusion is the worst music ever - see also Weather Report, Chick Corea etc. But Steely Dan were a bit apart from that scene and were beloved of more mainstream muso types too. Either was, a totally totally disgusting band. I can't begin to explain how much I loathe everything about them
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I had a feeling you were going to say something like that :D Personally I like jazz fusion, but got to be in the mood for it, iyswim. Certainly isn't something I play all the time, or even a lot tbh.
 
I like to be consistent. ;)

It honestly makes me really angry, for some reason - more than any other music. It's so smug, it's so predicated on technique above feeling, it's so bloated and shiny and intricate and soulless..
 
Orang Utan said:
What exactly is jazz fusion then? Jazz fused with what?
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Fused with any other type of music. Best known (I think) would probably be Miles Davies for the earliest examples.
 
Dubversion said:
I like to be consistent. ;)

It honestly makes me really angry, for some reason - more than any other music. It's so smug, it's so predicated on technique above feeling, it's so bloated and shiny and intricate and soulless..
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I like the intricate stuff :o


edit: do you feel the same about mash-ups?
 
List of people never to be trusted on matters of taste so far: cesare, Dr. Furface, Guineveretoo, llantwit, maximilian ping, niksativa, Spymaster, twisted

;)
 
danny la rouge said:
List of people never to be trusted on matters of taste so far: cesare, Dr. Furface, Guineveretoo, llantwit, maximilian ping, niksativa, Spymaster, twisted

;)
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Never had you pinned as a sore loser before danny :( ;)
 
Steely Dan had an effortless cool the British will never understand and they were musically unclassifiable in their day untill they got ripped off by many lesser talens and went down the hill with the bland commercial Goucho, which unfortunately is their best known album. Can't Buy a Thrill and Pretzel Logic are classics, musically inventive and lyrically brilliant and I never tire of Donald Fagan's solo The Nightfly.

Growing up in the 70's and having lived in the US for a while puts into perspective how predictably narrow minded the British are in their need to toe the hipster post punk party line. I'm so bored of the same pro-three cord sentiments that keep getting repeated for the last 30 years.
 
Reno said:
Steely Dan had an effortless cool the British will never understand and they were musically unclassifiable in their day untill they got ripped off by many lesser talens and went down the hill with the bland commercial Goucho, which unfortunately is their best known album. Can't Buy a Thrill and Pretzel Logic are classics, musically inventive and lyrically brilliant and I never tire of Donald Fagan's solo The Nightfly.

Growing up in the 70's and having lived in the US for a while puts into perspective how predictably narrow minded the British are in their need to toe the hipster post punk party line. I'm so bored of the same pro-three cord sentiments that keep getting repeated for the last 30 years.
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Just about sums up your average Steely Dan fan, far better than I ever could.

Pseuds Corner entry for Reno, please.
 
Reno said:
Growing up in the 70's and having lived in the US for a while puts into perspective how predictably narrow minded the British are in their need to toe the hipster post punk party line. I'm so bored of the same pro-three cord sentiments that keep getting repeated for the last 30 years.
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see, that's the sort of thing that boils my piss, and i expected better from you. Nothing makes me angrier than being told that the reason I don't like something is because I'm 'on message', 'toeing a line', 'doing it to be cool'.

It's a pisspoor, totally bankrupt argument, predicated on arrogance and bullshit
 
Reno said:
Can't Buy a Thrill and Pretzel Logic are classics, musically inventive and lyrically brilliant and I never tire of Donald Fagan's solo The Nightfly.
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I think bland is the word you are stumbling for.

I like lots of music with more than three chords, but Steely Dan has all the flavour of, well, a pretzel.
 
danny la rouge said:
I think bland is the word you are stumbling for.

I like lots of music with more than three chords, but Steely Dan has all the flavour of, well, a pretzel.
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Precisely - I also like lots of musically inventive stuff, I just can't stand Steely Dan. But Reno obviously knows our tastes better than we know them ourselves.
 
Dubversion said:
see, that's the sort of thing that boils my piss, and i expected better from you. Nothing makes me angrier than being told that the reason I don't like something is because I'm 'on message', 'toeing a line', 'doing it to be cool'.

It's a pisspoor, totally bankrupt argument, predicated on arrogance and bullshit
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Just thought I'd put the cat among the pigeons. You're cute when you get angry, Dub. ;)

Still, I meant it...
 
Reno said:
Steely Dan had an effortless cool the British will never understand and they were musically unclassifiable in their day untill they got ripped off by many lesser talens and went down the hill with the bland commercial Goucho, which unfortunately is their best known album. Can't Buy a Thrill and Pretzel Logic are classics, musically inventive and lyrically brilliant and I never tire of Donald Fagan's solo The Nightfly.

Growing up in the 70's and having lived in the US for a while puts into perspective how predictably narrow minded the British are in their need to toe the hipster post punk party line. I'm so bored of the same pro-three cord sentiments that keep getting repeated for the last 30 years.
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Wunderbar!
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Reno said:
I'm so bored of the same pro-three cord sentiments that keep getting repeated for the last 30 years.
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-I think thats a fair comment.


I can see why Steeley Dan disgust many, but even if you take them on dispassionately, it is clear they are innovative songwriters in terms of lyrics and arrangements, and I would never diss anyone pushing envelopes and workign hard at their craft.

Pat MEtheney should be mentioned here: there really IS some great PAt Metheney stuff out there, but the vast majority is as DubV describes it - super slick and somewhat soulless - however I still recognise him as a master, even though it is not to my taste.
 
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