Stalin Society
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Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
tim said:
the first entry if you google his name is pretty amusing
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
Kenny Vermouth said:
My tankie old man still will when provoked. The case for the defence runs along the lines of 'mistakes were made', 'socialism was threatened by fascist war machine regrettably necessitating extreme measures', 'capitalism has committed far worse crimes', etc., etc.
DD Senior departed from Stalinist orthodoxy over the Sino-Soviet split and retained affection for Mao. He also very fiercely sided with Mao during his spat with Castro and curses the name of La Barba to this day. I'm sure The Great Helmsman was grateful for my dad's support.
JHE said:
OK cheers, I wonder what happened to him, he seems pretty funny.
bashthefash said:
Ain't that the truth.
I used to notice a guy around Durham who looked like Stalin. Mainly this was 'cos of the moustache, and the fact that his dyed-black hair was carefully coiffured into a curly mullet maybe detracted from the image a little. Either way, you looked at him and 'Stalin' came to mind. One time, when I was a swappie (
) I tried to sell him a paper outside the shopping centre. I thought he was going to hit me or something, but then he controlled himself, unclenched his fists and treated me to a long rant at the top of his voice about lickspittle-trotskyist-fascist-lowlife scum, how Trotsky deserved an icepick through the back of his bonce and how all Trots should get the same.'Sorry about that,' said the older bloke I was selling papers with, as Stalin stamped away. 'I should have warned you. Don't ever try and sell him a paper. He really is a Stalinist and he always goes off on one.'
All I could do was wipe the flecks of spittle from my jacket and get on with flogging the bloody Socialist Worker.
See? Stalinists are everywhere. Even in the Bishopsgate Centre in Durham on a wet Saturday morning.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
One of my local pubs in Clapton is a favoured haunt of old tankies. They haven't gone away, you know.
dennisr
the acceptable face
JimPage said:
I think he was saving his own backside mate (after the previous attempted 'deals' with Hitler went somewhat pear-shaped). He also left a feckin mess for real socialists/marxists/revolutionaries to pick up in the wake of his 'approach' to fighting fascism and its results and you know I would argue that the results of his control of the international communist movement led to the growth of fascism in the first place (abilly assisted by his 'democratic' capitalist friends).I prefer to say 'the soviet people' stepped in to save 'our' behinds (not that they had much of a choice with the gun at the back of their heads)
Johnny Canuck2 said:
there used to be plenty of them in the french communist party until the seventies (controlled by george marchais, himself controlled by moscow, easy thing to do due to his lack of resistance activity during the 2nd world war and his "volunteering" to the german war effort in a german factory.)
dennisr
the acceptable face
JHE said:
The real Che was a bit all over the place - part of the reason he was sent off on further hopeless adventures in Bolivia by his communist 'mates'. He was a thorn in the side of both established bureaucrats in the Soviet states and the rising bureaucrats in Cuba. I don't think you can write off this honest - if misguided - individual with such simple labels.
bashthefash
Born under punches
as opposed to conspicuously middle class students peddling the Trotskyist line at lunchtime meetings!
what's going to happen when this generation of Stalinists die? Who's going to be around to alert the world to the devious plottings of the Trotskyist left! The comments on members of a certain faction of the CPB are interesting in this regard..(suggesting the old divide is dead, which of course it is - for most people over 83).
bashthefash
Born under punches
amusing. Do they all come out for the Miners durham miners gala? I hadn't thought Durham a hot bed of stalinism.
bashthefash
Born under punches
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Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
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Geoff Collier
Active Member
bashthefash said:
I wish i could say for incipient trotskyism or something like that but they just said I was too young (16). They sent me YCL membership cards for 1975 and 76 but I never met another member.
Kenny Vermouth
Wankers
Precisely.guinnessdrinker said:
Kenny Vermouth
Wankers
Yeah, but I thought "everything you know is wrong"?DownwardDog said:
dennisr
the acceptable face
mk12 said:
indeed, mk12.
Funnily there's a book about that...
http://socialistalternative.org/literature/che/
tambien en español
-):http://socialistalternative.org/literature/che-esp/
Just followed the link and had a look at this groups site. I like their version of
The Katyn Massacre...........Anybody interested in the new group I'm forming The Friends of the NKVD........every new member has to shoot three kulaks (or small shopkeepers but not Muslims because that would upset GG and I'm hoping to recruit him) before they can join.
The Katyn Massacre...........Anybody interested in the new group I'm forming The Friends of the NKVD........every new member has to shoot three kulaks (or small shopkeepers but not Muslims because that would upset GG and I'm hoping to recruit him) before they can join.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
oh when i have more time will get angry over these loon spuds .Dont think ussr helped us at all.We sent them a lot of stuff.And they killed lots of germans cos they had to .Not out of any sense of helping us.
Squatticus
for an armed populace
bashthefash said:
Soviet preparations for the Nazi invasion - killing most of their generals wasn't such a great idea. If I remember correctly, the highest rank of whom more than 50% survived the purges of the '30s was brigadier (source: Alan Clark, Barbarossa, I think). No wonder Hitler got to Moscow by Christmas!
Divisive Cotton said:the first entry if you google his name is pretty amusing
Spion
I hear ya
Squatticus said:
I was intrigued to find out. From Wikipedia:
"The purge of the army removed three of five marshals (then equivalent to 6-star generals), 13 of 15 army commanders (then equivalent to 4- and 5-star generals), eight of nine admirals (the purge fell heavily on the Navy, who were suspected of exploiting their opportunities for foreign contacts), 50 of 57 army corps commanders, 154 out of 186 division commanders, 16 of 16 army commissars, and 25 of 28 army corps commissars."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge#Purge_of_the_army
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