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Well I am a simpleton. To like football and show and interest in St Pauli because of their politics whatever next. I'm glad I know now that's not allowed. Fucks sake

if you like football i will let you off its all the annoying punks who have no intrest in the game that piss me off.

dave
 
There was a pretty well maintained UK St Pauli website up until a couple of years ago, I used to visit it a lot and it had all the results, stats and general football info (which can be hard to find) along with a lot of information about what cool stuff was going on on the terraces. Sadly , I heard that the guy who ran the site (a Norwich fan) had died suddenly. Anyways there are quit a few of the "crusties" that were berated earlier in this thread who make a fair few trips over to the Millerntor from the London punk scene, it really is an excellent weekend away.

There's a Glasgow FC St. Pauli supporters club starting in January I think. A few mates-funnily enough all into football and all Leftists/republicans-aregoing over for a weekend a few weeks later.
 
i have no intention of supporting them, i already have a team, i am just interested in them becasue of the anit-fascist connecton..... got to be a better excuse than most liverpool/man united/cheasea/arsenal fans have for following 'thier' team.

I take it you dont have anything uselful to say and just dropped by for a bit of random piss taking.

so you want to keep up with the team or their fans? why not just join an anti-fascist forum instead - without the fotoball:confused:
 
if you like football i will let you off its all the annoying punks who have no intrest in the game that piss me off.

dave

Well the punks that I know do have an interest in football. Mostly Spurs and Celtic fans that make the journey over.

But if someone who knows fuck all about football wants to get behind what St Pauli stand for they by wearing a shirt or a badge or whatever then wheres the harm in that? Its a shame you feel the need to cynically shit on something that is essentially a positive anti-racist statement just because they don't "know the game". Have you been to a premiership match lately? I was talking to a solicitor who had a season ticket at Arsenal the other day who had no idea who Perry Groves, Eddie McGoldrick or MICHAEL THOMAS was. Belittle that guy and his ilk first.
 
Oh i will!

some st pauli fans are the equivilent of people who used to support man united cos beckham had nice legs.

They need belittleing.

dave
 
so you want to keep up with the team or their fans? why not just join an anti-fascist forum instead - without the fotoball:confused:
both.... i watch football week in week out, so if i can combine anti fascism and football (and punk it appears) then it sounds great to me.
 
Oh i will!

some st pauli fans are the equivilent of people who used to support man united cos beckham had nice legs.

They need belittleing.

dave

Do St Pauli have nice legs then?

Some people 'support' man united becasue they are what we on the grange end would refer to as 'glory hunters'. Unless I have missed something, i dont think there is a lot of glory to be had with st pauli.

Now there may be some that follow man u cos of beckhams legs, which is just shallow, but surely if someone is just interested becasue they want to show solidarity with anti-fascists, is that really in the same category as oggling legs? I dont think so myself.
 
Well the punks that I know do have an interest in football. Mostly Spurs and Celtic fans that make the journey over.

But if someone who knows fuck all about football wants to get behind what St Pauli stand for they by wearing a shirt or a badge or whatever then wheres the harm in that? Its a shame you feel the need to cynically shit on something that is essentially a positive anti-racist statement just because they don't "know the game". Have you been to a premiership match lately? I was talking to a solicitor who had a season ticket at Arsenal the other day who had no idea who Perry Groves, Eddie McGoldrick or MICHAEL THOMAS was. Belittle that guy and his ilk first.

He didn't know McGoldrick's or his time at Arsenal?

Wise man. ;)
 
Why would you bother to help someone who doesn't really sound interested in the team :confused:

i bet youre a right bag of laughs down the pub -

this is a football board on a political forum ,someone asking about St Pauli isn't exactly taking a liberty is it ?

do you like prawn sarnies on the quiet ?
 
i do its being intrested in football while having no intrest in football.

which is silly.


dave

Silly? maybe! :p
criminal? no! :rolleyes:
Something worth getting wound up about? personally i have more serious things to worry about than getting all elitest about football. :hmm:

I dont personally know of anyone that follows St Pauli, have seen hoodies about at festivals but not stopped them and tested them on thier football knowledge. Now that i have the link to the result site though I will be able to ask them what they think of 'our' chances of promotion are ;)
 
Well, yes, cardiff have been known to be quite vocal, as well as quite drunk.

To be honest, i know very little about St Pauli and my aim in starting this thread was to find out a bit more. I am intrigued by the concept of left wing militantly anti-fascist footy fans with punk leanings. The thread has gone in a slightly different direction than i thought it would but by i have by accident learnt something.

Drunken 'anarcho' crusties is not ideal, but surely better than sober neo nazis!

In order to share my own experience with you. Firstly its not a choice between crustys and Nazis. Most young SP fans are antifascists, often politicalluy active outside football as well, but increasingly few are punks. IME young punks SP fans aren't regular attendees at games and when it is more for the party drinking reputation then the political one. The yound active political fans are growing in strenght and nuimber, nut are turning against the punk stereotype, and there are two reasons for this.

-Firstly the lefty punk days of st pauli were about a decade ago, and it was also typified by british style support back then (which was considered by many st pauli fans to be the best support in europe)- singing at certain times of the game, not many flags, and no drums etc. There was also more links with british clubs because of this. With worsening atmosphere at St Pauli games however, it led to the inevitable setting up of singing sections and finally the grouping Ultra' Sankt Pauli, who as you can guess take their lead from Italy rather then the UK and as a result the British punk thing is seen as a bit outdated by younger active Ultra orientated fans.

-Secondly the fame of St Pauli and its position in the party and red light district and the connection to punk attracted as I have described a load of alcoholic 'partygoers' to St pauli games. And I dont mean drunken fans having a good time. I mean actual people that look ike they have a serious alcohol problem and need help, in their mid 40's. Now this isn't a great problem as far as im concerned except when they do stuff that really shows up the club. Example:

After an away game in Leverkusen we were on the train back to Cologne for the carnival. Some aging alcoholic 'Pauli fans' from cologne were in the same carriage and singing, so far so good, until the train stops at dusseldorf and one of them (showing his actual allegiance to 1FC Cologne) bellows in the face of a 20 something commuter gorl with obviously no interest in football, but getting off at Dusseldorf so obviously fair game in the idiots eyes, "shit fortuna, shit fotuna, shit fortuna dusseldorf" covering her in alcohol laced phlegm. He does all this in st pauli gear. So SP gets a bad reputation through multiple stuff like this of being a club of alcoholic wankers rather then left wing actual fans.

This gets on the young actual fans' goat and so the tendency of the young active left supporter is now towards Ultra and against punk and even alcohol with many ultras just smoking weed, or even being straight edge. You'd still be accepted if you were a punk obviously and many are, just as long as youre not an idiot with it and care about the club, support and game.

There thats all the help you'll get from me.

The tanks someone referred to were probably these armoured cars at the Dresden game following the promotion on the penultimate game of 2006/2007 season. St Pauli fans like to have a ruck when ity comes to the fash but it doesnt really require this type of armour, the police just like to overegg whatever is going on to earn overtime, justify budgets, justify fan/left wing repression, paint st pauli fans in a bad light and play with their new toys:

http://www.ultra-stpauli.com/copper/displayimage.php?pid=1281&fullsize=1
 
shit team in a shit league with brillient marketing that lots of poeple who know nothing about football like, cos of thier politics.

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Oh i will!

some st pauli fans are the equivilent of people who used to support man united cos beckham had nice legs.

They need belittleing.

dave

For someone who's mouthing off about having to be statto off fantasy football league to even watch the game, the comparison you use above is woeful.

Showing support for a relatively tiny lower league team in Germany for their followers anti-racist stance is the same as having an interest in one of the biggest sporting brands on earth because one of the players years ago had nice legs?!?

If you fucking say so Einstein.
 
For anyone interested there are flights to Hamburg Lubeck from Stanstead for 14 quid including taxes on ryanair going out on Friday the 6th of Feb at 11:05 and ones back to luton from Hamburg on easyjet coming back on the sunday at 21:45 for 17 quid all in......that was as of the other day.

St Pauli vs Geurtha Furth on Suday at 2.

thats the Annual St pauli Celtic piss up weekend with gigs and that....Los Fastidos are playing on the Friday......http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bs8VsYtgvP4

lots of my mates are going but unfortunately I'll be in Dublin with my shitty band.

That will be an excellent weekend tho.....i recommend it.
 
why not just support your local team and get involved in their anti-racist initiatives? I applaud anti-racism/fascism in Hamburg but I'm more interested in actually supporting it closer to home.
 
so you want to keep up with the team or their fans?
Surely a football CLUB (or rather a team that is part of a sporting club, as is I believe, the case with St Pauli) is about the team AND the fans. Perhaps the relationship between the two, otherwise known as politics, is the reason they're worth supporting. :)
 
yep. so why the intrest in st pauli?

shit team in a shit league with brillient marketing that lots of poeple who know nothing about football like, cos of thier politics.

St pauli fans generally piss me off. They do make an ace toaster though.

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dave

Oh my lord! That is a quality toaster.

I've not heard anything about St Pauli - what's the coup? Isn't it just a small district of Hamburg where all the strip clubs are?
 
Oh my lord! That is a quality toaster.

I've not heard anything about St Pauli - what's the coup? Isn't it just a small district of Hamburg where all the strip clubs are?

They have a football team whose colours are a useful thing to wear if you want to tell everyone how not-racist you are whilst avoiding doing anything useful yourself
 
They have a football team whose colours are a useful thing to wear if you want to tell everyone how not-racist you are whilst avoiding doing anything useful yourself

Or like numerous people I know wear the top and are actively involved in antiracist/fascist pro-working class politics.
 
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