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Squire and Partners in Lambeth

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by ricbake, Mar 25, 2017.

  1. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    I was on the same flight once as a group of Squire and Partners employees, and the bloke in front of me on the toilet queue did not use his papel towel to wipe the basin as a courtesy to the next passenger. All wrong 'uns, I tell ya!
     
  2. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baŠĻČned: All

    They are a symptom of the illness. It's not even in proportion. If the hotel rooms of the ultra rich were scaled in proportion to their actual wealth, they'd be the size of Buckhingham Palace.
     
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  3. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Gosh, that's so funny.

    PS: What's a 'papel towel'?
     
  4. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    This discussion reminded me I went to the pre planning public exhibition on this development by Squires of the new Brixton HQ.

    On hand were people from Squires. They were keen to point out they knew there were concerns about gentrification in Brixton. That they didn't want to be seen as contributing to this. That they wanted Squires, when they moved here , to be a involved in the community.

    I am starting to feel this was all just PR.

    What it does show is that Squires are well aware of the rich / poor divide in this area. That it's an issue.
     
  5. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    Yes, but if I had to pick something to get people to the barricades - "a living wage for all" Might be a slightly better battle cry to rally the troops than "equal sized hotel rooms for all"

    Alex
     
  6. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    How, specifically, would you like them to be "involved in the community"?
     
  7. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

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  8. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Way to miss the point, but, whatever.
     
  9. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    They'll cherrypick a few low-cost, but reasonably high profile local concerns to get involved with, trumpet the news loud and clear to prove they just love the Brixton community, and then sidestep any conversations about what they're doing to integrate with the wider community or why they shouldn't be seen as yet another nail in the gentrification coffin.

    They offered one person I know - who ticks all their Brixton PR boxes perfectly - an offer she could barely refuse to move her business into their new premises.

    It's how this thing works these days: super slick, manipulative PR smoke and mirrors, and token gestures slapped all over their puffed up PR releases. I guess some people buy this bullshit.

    I've lost count of the times I've heard developers and incomers bandy around the word community and then seen them follow it up with a whole load of nothing.
     
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  10. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Is this a bad thing? :confused:
     
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  11. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    She's being used as a pawn for their PR purposes because her business and that of these architects to the super rich have precisely zero synergy. She'd be there to make them look good (and she was immediately aware of this).

    I told her to go for it if she was comfortable with this scenario and had some long term commitment from them, but I suspect some of her customers may find it an odd marriage. I can;t blame her for taking this opportunity.

    But do I like rich incoming companies doing this kind of cynical PR manipulation so they can community-wash their image? No, I don't.
     
  12. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    Not a papal towel, then?
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  13. snowy_again

    snowy_again Slush

  14. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    What evidence do you have that this was just a cynical PR exercise? How can you be sure, other than a suspicion or gut feeling (which ain't exaclty much proof of anything?

    In fact, who the hell gets to decide which actions a business take constitute genuine engagement with the local community, and which are just PR exercises? They are opinions nothing else. A cynic could use the same argument to dismiss most gestures by private businesses as PR, so I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.
     
  15. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    I think we all know the answer to that one.
     
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  16. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Oh, I see what I did there... I was wondering why anyone would have trouble understanding what a paper towel is...
     
  17. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    exaclty
     
  18. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    Who do you think?

    Hint: they're the ones the attempt to engage with is made
     
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  19. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Oh I don't know, but I imagine when a company declares that they're opening an "independent bar/restaurant" in their new multi million pound premises but then adds "owned by us" in brackets, I'd say some level of cynicism is richly deserved. And then matching up their PR 'community' spin with reality often yields enlightening results.
     
  20. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    To make it clear. I didn't bring the issue up at the event I attended. They did.

    So the ball is in there court.
     
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  21. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    What they should ha
    I'm not sure they would be in a better position to judge that unless the company in question has outright told them the only reason they are being offered subsidised space is only because they are trendy and groovy like the company itself. Was that the case here?
     
  22. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery I bet you think this tagline's about you?

  23. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    So the local community is not in a position to judge whether attempts to engage the local community are successful or not?

    Have a word with yourself
     
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  24. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    A single person does not represent the entire local community; nor we know how many other people might have been offered similar deals, and what their thoughts might be. I'm pretty sure there are members of this forum who are members of the local community who might judge offers thus far as genuine attempts to engage the local community. Is their opinion less valid?
     
  25. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    I wasn't talking about any single person - try reading posts instead of assuming
     
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  26. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Your comment

    made it sound like you had changed your mind since the exhibition - ie, at the time you thought it might be feasible that they could have a meaningful involvement in the community but that since then their actions have shown otherwise.

    Suggested that you think there are things they could do which they are already not doing, or that they are actively doing things that displease you.
     
  27. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    And as I said, unless that person was openly told by the company they were only being offered a subsidised rent because of their perceived trendiness, the opinion of the person is subjective and as likely to be wrong as right.

    It seems to me there is a drive to find fault with this firm at all costs and as soon as possible, even regarding actions that most people would consider to be positive. Subsided rent? The badtards!
     
  28. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    What person are you talking about? There's no relevance in your posts to the ones of mine you are replying to - are you talking to yourself?
     
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  29. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    In the context of architecture, "refurbish" usually means "repair to original condition", not "structurally and cosmetically alter" (which is what they've actually done), I think
     
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  30. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Heard it referred to as "that bellend" today on the bus. I didn't agree, but now I've had a good look at the pics, I can see what the old geezer meant. :D
     

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