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Squalid little lie by SWP councillor

oh dear, Zachor doesnt like it being pointed out that he is a lying little scab, what a shame.

I'm a scab but not a liar. Galloway IS a traitorous cunt.

Maybe you should have sat with me in a cafe in Barking whilst the local swappie chief sat there and told me the bare faced lie that it was SWP actions that had driven the bnp out of town. They said this approximately 12-18months before the BNP became the official opposition on the local council. Then you would have some idea of the mendacity of the Swp.
 
you are a liar. you lied about your workplace and what was happening there. It's well known.

Who gives a fuck what your opinion of Gallloway is?
 
Peeps - perspective. UK big recession on the way, global finance crisis, environmental catastrophe - climate change chaos. So Michael tells a few fibs - whatever.

Mendacity - great word. Old Roget - suppressio veri, sugesstio falsi, white washing.
 
you are a liar. you lied about your workplace and what was happening there. It's well known.

Who gives a fuck what your opinion of Gallloway is?

No I did not. I told people the truth about the level of mass scabbing if people choose to blindly ignore that fact then thats their problem.

Many people other than me have a problem with Galloway. Like it or not the dictator loving cunt is a major player in the British left as much as some may like to deny it.

I'll continue attacking Galloway in whatever arena I can find to do it in.
 
you lied about what was happening there Zachor, ignorant of the fact that there were other people who knew what was going on and could point out your fictions. As they did.

Hold whatever opinions about Galloway you like, and thcweam and thcweam thcweam about hem until your thick, no one cares, everyone knows you're a lying scab whose word is worth shit.

:)
 
you lied about what was happening there Zachor, ignorant of the fact that there were other people who knew what was going on and could point out your fictions. As they did.

Hold whatever opinions about Galloway you like, and thcweam and thcweam thcweam about hem until your thick, no one cares, everyone knows you're a lying scab whose word is worth shit.

:)

I shall state it again. I stated what was the true position with mass scabbing in my workplace. The 'other people' didn't have the on the ground knowledge of my actual workplace. If you don't like that or if you are uncomfortable with your dogma being challenged then kindly fuck off.

I'll continue to warn about fascist scum like Galloway.
 
Peeps - perspective. UK big recession on the way, global finance crisis, environmental catastrophe - climate change chaos. So Michael tells a few fibs - whatever.

Mendacity - great word. Old Roget - suppressio veri, sugesstio falsi, white washing.

Less Roget's Thesaurus, more Roger's Profanosaurus on this thread methinks...
 
It's a fair question to ask but it doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.

It is perfectly possible to form a group on a council with other parties while retaining your own identity.

But doing it this way makes the link more clear for public view - it's a little disingenuous maybe but hardly the stuff of great scandal (particularly given your apologies for much bigger whoppers that he's told in the past).
 
The problem is that what starts as a squalid little lie has a tendency to become an even bigger lie. You can quite clearly see that in the development of stalinism or healyism.

Also I do happen to be a resident and elector in the Council area in question and believe that I have the right to demand integrity and truthfulness from my elected representatives, be they Tories, New Labour or Socialists.

The squalid little lie that both you and the SWP are most fond of is that your Socialists.
Clearly your not.
You both believe that your world views are superior and more important than those of the vast majority of peoples.
Stalin did not come about by accident. He came about because of people like you who thought that Socialism was something to be imposed on people.
 
But doing it this way makes the link more clear for public view - it's a little disingenuous maybe but hardly the stuff of great scandal (particularly given your apologies for much bigger whoppers that he's told in the past).

What "bigger whoppers... in the past"? The only big one I know of is that he told a Respect meeting that Galloway was intent on going to the press to denounce the SWP. Galloway did not intend any such thing, and never went to the press. Rees however went to the press instead. But I do believe that Lavalette was repeating a lie told to him by the SWP Central Committee, not one he made up himself.

If however it's about the 2000 by-election, name places and times and I will refute them....

And the people of Wigan seem to be perfectly clear about the difference between the council group and the party.

The "whopper" here is that he is claiming that he is "Independent" - it's a lie, pure and simple. It's unnecessary and "disingenuous", so it's squalid. It's not a big lie, it's a little one - hence "squalid little lie". I stand by my description.
 
The squalid little lie that both you and the SWP are most fond of is that your Socialists.
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Spot on. The SWP are not socialists of any type they are judgemental authoritarian opportunistic fuckwits devoid of any political benefit to the working classes.

Come to think of it they are devoid of any political benefit to anyone except the Central Committee or the murderous Islamist (note how I have criticised Islamists rather than Islam) nutters they have aligned themselves with at a time when our own troops (who are mostly working class btw) are engaged in a war against mysoginist Islamist killers in Afghanistan. A traitor worthy of the comparison with Lord Haw Haw.

SWP union officers calling for a strike on the verge of Xmas in the middle of a credit crunch yay way to get support there isn't it :rolleyes:
 
Peeps - perspective. UK big recession on the way, global finance crisis, environmental catastrophe - climate change chaos. So Michael tells a few fibs - whatever.

Mendacity - great word. Old Roget - suppressio veri, sugesstio falsi, white washing.

:) I'm with zeppo and belboid on this. I'm not above a little shit-stirring but this is pathetic
 
Yup I have changed my views. Sometimes you have to abandon dogma to go with what works.

For the PCS leadership that does not mean you drop socialist principles - or adopt any alternative dogmas in rejecting those you have empirically recognised as you have Zac
 
For the PCS leadership that does not mean you drop socialist principles - or adopt any alternative dogmas in rejecting those you have empirically recognised as you have Zac

Sadly from what I have seen as I've gone through life I've seen less and less of what can be called principled from socialists of various types. I didn't leave it, it left me.
 
Out of interest in Wales it has happened that two groupings - Forward Wales & People's Voice - have stood their candidates as independents. In the latter case this is because of the nature of the group, outside of its core in Blaenau Gwent it has drawn in a smattering of independents from elsewhere in the valleys.

Lavalette is not an SWP councillor therefore it would be wrong to label himself as such, he is part of an organisation and periphery that include people like Valerie Wise, one time Labour-Left veteran.

Lavalette has changed his designation a few times - Socialist Alliance against War, Socialist Alliance, Respect, he could change his name to Left Alternative, but given as he probably hopes that this will be a stop-gap until some new alliance emerges, and he is probably angling to build something locally among among forces and people in the North West, the designation of independent socialist seems appropriate. In the contxt of bourgeois politics in the area he is an independent socialist.

This also reflects the modest methodology of building the Left Alternative & the nature of the organisation. The Left Alternative is not the alternative but rather a campaign/groupuscule towards building a new fighting coalition of the working class. As such, it makes sense for Lavalette rather than presenting local people interested in a broad left party with the finished article that he projects himself as holding the shape of such an alternative open - hence the designation of independent socialist is more appropriate than "Left Alternative" which would imply that the nature/shape/terrain of what he was building was already defined rather than arising out of work at the grassroots and what local activists want.
 
Out of interest in Wales it has happened that two groupings - Forward Wales & People's Voice - have stood their candidates as independents. In the latter case this is because of the nature of the group, outside of its core in Blaenau Gwent it has drawn in a smattering of independents from elsewhere in the valleys.

Lavalette is not an SWP councillor therefore it would be wrong to label himself as such, he is part of an organisation and periphery that include people like Valerie Wise, one time Labour-Left veteran.

Lavalette has changed his designation a few times - Socialist Alliance against War, Socialist Alliance, Respect, he could change his name to Left Alternative, but given as he probably hopes that this will be a stop-gap until some new alliance emerges, and he is probably angling to build something locally among among forces and people in the North West, the designation of independent socialist seems appropriate. In the contxt of bourgeois politics in the area he is an independent socialist.

This also reflects the modest methodology of building the Left Alternative & the nature of the organisation. The Left Alternative is not the alternative but rather a campaign/groupuscule towards building a new fighting coalition of the working class. As such, it makes sense for Lavalette rather than presenting local people interested in a broad left party with the finished article that he projects himself as holding the shape of such an alternative open - hence the designation of independent socialist is more appropriate than "Left Alternative" which would imply that the nature/shape/terrain of what he was building was already defined rather than arising out of work at the grassroots and what local activists want.


Given the current trajectory of the SWP he soon will be an independent socialist!

b'doom ching!
again...

This is a pretty shit thread btw.:(
 
The SWP isn't a registered electoral party so he couldn't label himself as an SWP councillor. If he just called himself a Socialist that would not be very clear because there are several electoral parties with socialist in the name. I guess Independent Socialist is a description. I can't see that there is any lying going on. His electorate know who he is and his background.
 
tis funny how zachor seems not to have noticed the SWP's break with galloway, who is now supported on this thread by.....fg! Who zachor is chiming in in support of.

So, fg's only sympathisers on this thread are: a scab; a racist; and an anarchist - all of whom also think fg is colluding with fascism because of his sympathy for galloway! oh the ironies.

(sorry if that's a slightly crude version of your opinion stevil)
 
tis funny how zachor seems not to have noticed the SWP's break with galloway, who is now supported on this thread by.....fg! Who zachor is chiming in in support of.

So, fg's only sympathisers on this thread are: a scab; a racist; and an anarchist - all of whom also think fg is colluding with fascism because of his sympathy for galloway! oh the ironies.

(sorry if that's a slightly crude version of your opinion stevil)

Very crude. I think Lavelettes a liar but that doesn't imply any support for anyone else. I've never heard him describe himself as a member of the SWP at any public meeting always a Swappie front group or Socialist Alliance/Respect. I'm sorry I even contributed to this at all.:(

p.s. I don't think fg is colluding with fascism and I rarely call myself an anarchist (usually make sure the syndicalist bit is mentioned) but I never conceal my political affiliations or membership.
 
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