Squaddism

[mk12]

What we need is a magazine, aimed at people born in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, to help co-ordinate our struggle.

 

[biff curtains]

What we need is a magazine, aimed at people born in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, to help co-ordinate our struggle.

What about people born in 1990 who are now reaching adulthood?

 

[mk12]

Them too.

 

[JimPage]

The following is an article from Searchlight magazine, despite its track record (Hello Mr O'Hara) my point here is say that it appears that all is not doom and gloom. This article appears to suggest people are working against the BNP with success within the traditional labour movement, and unless there is more information from the ground (rather than ultra left pronouncements) we have to conclude that all is not going to go the BNP way...

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=193

a typical bullshizit article from searchlight- ignoring the fact that the BNP % vote went up in Burnley and Calderdale- and dismisses a first time 31% vote for BNP in Nuneaton

 

[JimPage]

Well if you don't do the first activity you are left with having to advocate the second one as a way of 'proving' that you are doing something.

well the first activity is preferable by far- but with the left making so little impact (other than Respect)- what option is there left? The left are in no fit state to match 500 odd BNP at the polls in May- so what option is there at present that to disrupt what they are doing as and when we can- a policy which both Antifa and UAF are doing wherever they can

 

[Tom A]

a policy which both Antifa and UAF are doing wherever they can

And in the case of Stoke-on-Trent, NorSCARF.

 

[The Black Hand]

What we need is a magazine, aimed at people born in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, to help co-ordinate our struggle.

What authoritarian would suggest that?

 

[The Black Hand]

a typical bullshizit article from searchlight- ignoring the fact that the BNP % vote went up in Burnley and Calderdale- and dismisses a first time 31% vote for BNP in Nuneaton

Perhaps 'the people on the ground' fed that sort of information into Searchlight, and hence you get the story. Whilst I agree that some information from Searchilight is dubious, I can't agree, without evidence, that all information they spread is wrong headed. Until the ultra left can reach beyond (even if it is not deliberate) damning so many others by association I do not think they will get far.

With goons like the Nazi in this article 22 March 2007, Halifax Evening Courier, 'MP Linda lobbies for change in law' by Megan Featherstone, there is a patronising attitude in assuming that all people will look at such publicity for fascism as a good thing, 'something they can agree with as part of the white race'...

 

[Karac]

I was at the battle of Waterloo-job well done
Funniest thing was seeing the arseholes getting done in that burgerbar
At least it stopped their concert

 

[JimPage]

Perhaps 'the people on the ground' fed that sort of information into Searchlight, and hence you get the story. Whilst I agree that some information from Searchilight is dubious, I can't agree, without evidence, that all information they spread is wrong headed. Until the ultra left can reach beyond (even if it is not deliberate) damning so many others by association I do not think they will get far.
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the stats i mentioned were obtained from the far-from pro-BNP Liberal Democrat councillors website www.aldc.org in relation to Burnley and Calderdale- the BNP results were very slightly up in bothe Bunley and Calderdale. They didnt win- granted- but this was undoubtedly due to a very efficient antifascist targetted tactic voting campaign in the wards

Which is fine for what it is- but what are you to do when faced with what now seems to be very large numbers of BNP Candidates compared to before

Look- its one thing to do down the BNP for propaganda purposes- but i dont think it helps anyone to believe things are going well when they are not. In just under 2 weeks we will see the extent of BNP slates for local councils- which are going to be far greater and far wider efforts by them - and innacurate propoganda like the Searchlight report is to going to help

 

[urbanrevolt]

Attributing the Oldham riots to the BNP is handing them a victory, they actually had very little to do with it compared with the much larger problems of police racism and racial segregation of white and Asian school pupils.

is partly right. Police racism, educational segregation had a lot to do with it plus the racist reporting of the local media who gave a platform to racist Oldham police stamtents of hewitt and the like.

But fascists did try to ratchet up the situation and there was organised facsit activity in Oldham with the national front demonstrating plus after the Daily Mail picked up on yet another racist report of the Oldham chronicle (after a pensioner was beaten in what he and his family said was not at all racist) the BNP then announced their intention to stand.

Organised self-defence and the physically preventing the fascists from leafletting, marching, meeting does need to again be used to help throw back the BNP plus revitlaising working class politics in the areas, for a a miltant trade union backed campaigns and possibly candidates in the elections

 

[mk12]

preventing the fascists from leafletting

I don't want to get in to this debate, but i've always wondered what view lies behind this idea. Do you think people can't make their own minds up when reading a leaflet?

 

[Hi-ASL]

Are we talking here about Wellington's masterly routing of the Napoleonic forces or a bunch of smelly students on an awayday? I'm confused.

 

[Frank Drebben]

is partly right. Police racism, educational segregation had a lot to do with it plus the racist reporting of the local media who gave a platform to racist Oldham police stamtents of hewitt and the like.

But fascists did try to ratchet up the situation and there was organised facsit activity in Oldham with the national front demonstrating plus after the Daily Mail picked up on yet another racist report of the Oldham chronicle (after a pensioner was beaten in what he and his family said was not at all racist) the BNP then announced their intention to stand.

Organised self-defence and the physically preventing the fascists from leafletting, marching, meeting does need to again be used to help throw back the BNP plus revitlaising working class politics in the areas, for a a miltant trade union backed campaigns and possibly candidates in the elections

Organsied self defence against what? And who are these fash leafletting and marching? If we are to learn anything from Oldham it was that all the energies went in on the wrong fash, 30 NF, because they fitted the 1980/90 model of anti fascism. meanwhile the BNP reaped in thousands of votes not just in oldham but nationally due to the riot afterwards.

Throwing back the BNP is beating them politically , their base is that they are now the party of choice not just a first time protest vote on a scale the left has never had in our lifetime.

 

[Frank Drebben]

well the first activity is preferable by far- but with the left making so little impact (other than Respect)- what option is there left? The left are in no fit state to match 500 odd BNP at the polls in May- so what option is there at present that to disrupt what they are doing as and when we can- a policy which both Antifa and UAF are doing wherever they can

My suggested option is the IWCA and HSG activity, they are locally rooted in exactly the same community politics that the BNP pick up on.

 

[The Black Hand]

My suggested option is the IWCA and HSG activity, they are locally rooted in exactly the same community politics that the BNP pick up on.

There are other alternatives; one is being introduced on mon 2nd April in Manchester;

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5806838#post5806838

 

[Luther Blissett]

is partly right. Police racism, educational segregation had a lot to do with it plus the racist reporting of the local media who gave a platform to racist Oldham police stamtents of hewitt and the like.

But fascists did try to ratchet up the situation and there was organised facsit activity in Oldham with the national front demonstrating plus after the Daily Mail picked up on yet another racist report of the Oldham chronicle (after a pensioner was beaten in what he and his family said was not at all racist) the BNP then announced their intention to stand.

Organised self-defence and the physically preventing the fascists from leafletting, marching, meeting does need to again be used to help throw back the BNP plus revitlaising working class politics in the areas, for a a miltant trade union backed campaigns and possibly candidates in the elections

another factor we need to consider were oldham council's contributions to 'estate segregation', effectively creating segregated housing estates (from late 80s onwards?).

 

[urbanrevolt]

Sure. My original point tho was that while In Bloom was right to blame the state aided and created racism for much of the troubles in Oldham that there was a significant fascist presence on the back of this state racism

 

[Paul Marsh]

Sure. My original point tho was that while In Bloom was right to blame the state aided and created racism for much of the troubles in Oldham that there was a significant fascist presence on the back of this state racism

The BNP actually had very few members in Oldham before the racial violence - I think the ITP claimed a bigger presence.

 

[Luther Blissett]

The BNP actually had very few members in Oldham before the racial violence - I think the ITP claimed a bigger presence.

ITP=International Third Position?

 

[Paul Marsh]

Yes, Darcus Howe met some of their Oldham supporters when he visited the town for his White Tribe (?) documentary.

 

[Frank Drebben]

There are other alternatives; one is being introduced on mon 2nd April in Manchester;

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5806838#post5806838

Trevor Bark; Autonomous Anti Fascism – towards praxis

Any idea what this is about?

 

[The Black Hand]

Any idea what this is about?

Well lucky for you I have read some abstracts - here is the relevant one;

Autonomous Anti Fascism - Towards Praxis

Abstract

The left and anarchist movements in Britain are in disarray; sectarian, small and ineffective. Thus, the Neo-Liberal project has successfully divided opposition, and requires practical and theoretical contributions to rediscovering the way forward politically through the resulting confusing and debilitating political ambiance. While the right are on the march generally, the fascist movement in Britain has been growing because of the problems of globalisation from above. Racism is created by events at home and abroad, and the changing nature of state policy and practices affect the terrain of these class struggles and their development. This article is an attempt to discover self-built class struggle anti fascism in these conditions.

 

[Zhelezniakov]

This trevor bark geezer sounds like a right dork

 

[The Black Hand]

Sounds to me...

 

[Frank Drebben]

Well lucky for you I have read some abstracts - here is the relevant one;

Autonomous Anti Fascism - Towards Praxis

Abstract

The left and anarchist movements in Britain are in disarray; sectarian, small and ineffective. Thus, the Neo-Liberal project has successfully divided opposition, and requires practical and theoretical contributions to rediscovering the way forward politically through the resulting confusing and debilitating political ambiance. While the right are on the march generally, the fascist movement in Britain has been growing because of the problems of globalisation from above. Racism is created by events at home and abroad, and the changing nature of state policy and practices affect the terrain of these class struggles and their development. This article is an attempt to discover self-built class struggle anti fascism in these conditions.

Sounds interesting . What would be the theoretical framework for a re-energised class struggle anti fascist praxis?

 

[The Black Hand]

Sounds interesting . What would be the theoretical framework for a re-energised class struggle anti fascist praxis?

Instead of negativity and division, and the things which produce these. Perhaps we should practice things which would turn the wheel the other way?

 

[Frank Drebben]

Instead of negativity and division, and the things which produce these. Perhaps we should practice things which would turn the wheel the other way?

I might send a couple of our members to the talk , is it starting at 4 on Monday ? Its abit early for anyone working though.Exactly where in manchester metro uni is it?

 

[The Black Hand]

I might send a couple of our members to the talk , is it starting at 4 on Monday ? Its abit early for anyone working though.Exactly where in manchester metro uni is it?

Yes it is Monday at 4pm... That's late in the day too, normally its a 9am start... and akademics can only do an 8 hour day...

Dept. of Politics and Philosophy
> Manchester Metropolitan University
> Geoffrey Manton Building, Rosamond Street West
> Manchester.

There will be quite a few people 'floating about' who look like 'conference attenders' and there normally are staff to point you in the right direction...