Spy cameras EVERYWHERE in UK

[gentlegreen]

Another aspect of surveillance that not many people are aware of is that we are listened to in our own homes via our telephones. Using ‘key word’ recognition and so forth. Not when we are on the phone (although that may be), but when the phone is 'hung up'.

unplugs phone

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[chymaera]

Go on then Toby. I suppose you know all about how this is implemented...

Educate us with your knowledge of the UK govt is snooping on every one of its populations phone-lines, including mobile phones...

If you bother to have the courtesy to ask the question using the name I post under I might bother to give you a reply.

Otherwise you can fuck off.

 

[frogwoman]

funnily enough i saw something like what tobyjug is saying in the daily mail today

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[Hocus Eye.]

funnily enough i saw something like what tobyjug is saying in the daily mail today

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So you are implying that there is something wrong with this Tobyjug person - whoever that may be because he or she has read today's Daily Mail (surely Mail on Sunday?). But how did you find this out without reading that journal yourself? You sinner!

The stories about telephones being tapped might well be true. The system is called Echelon and can be found by doing a web search. It seems from a very old posting on one site that it is illegal under international law for a country to spy on its own citizens so the UK and US governments spy on each other's citizens and swap the information. Clever these spooks aren't they?

The bit about the phone tapping taking place when the phone is on the hook but not when calls are being made is at the very least counter intuitive. I understand that they have a list of suspect words which are picked up by computer which then switches on the recording apparatus. Knowing this, every time I order a pizza or similar I get in lots of the words and phrases that might be on the list. I include several words from the list: "President of the USA, bomb, assassination, plot, insurrection, revolution, Reds, atheism, French Fries, greenhouse gasses, etc."

The only downside is that I rarely get the topping I want on the pizza as the person on the other end of the phone gets confused for some reason. Also I am a bit wary of answering the door when the pizza arrives in case it is the CIA or the local Community Police Officer acting on their behalf.

EDITED TO ADD: Oh spheroids! I have just realised that this post will be picked up by Echalon and I have probably put Urban75 on the suspect list.

 

[EddyBlack]

Go on then Toby. I suppose you know all about how this is implemented...

Educate us with your knowledge of the UK govt is snooping on every one of its populations phone-lines, including mobile phones...

unplugs phone

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‘The major surveillance techniques include:

* Taps on telephones, e-mails and internet use that can screened for key words and phrases by British and US intelligence services.’

As for how they target people, who they want to survey and for what purposes it serves is another thing. But yes according to this you can be monitored at home via your telephone.

Big Brother Britain 2006: 'We are waking up to a surveillance society all around us'
Independent

Another aspect of surveillance that not many people are aware of is that we are listened to in our own homes via our telephones. Using ‘key word’ recognition and so forth. Not when we are on the phone (although that may be), but when the phone is 'hung up'.

So no it is not everyone all of the time, neither does it seem that your phone can be used as a microphone when it is hung up, I will hold my hands up there.

I think the tin hat accusations are a bit daft really given the sheer number of different types of surveillance that are being developed, the great effort by the state to increase and implement it and the increasing integration of it all.
I think you must have your head buried in the sand if don’t recognize we are moving towards a complete surveillance state. Many schools are fingerprinting children and enroling them into the database for example. This is initillay to give them access to free school meals.

But if you just want to grin and roll your eyes go ahead.

 

[frogwoman]

it was actually a headline before you get any funny ideas

 

[Hocus Eye.]

it was actually a headline before you get any funny ideas

Oh yes, here it is:

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/mail_on_sunday/home.html?in_page_id=1964

 

[Bernie Gunther]

So, do you think if it was announced that they're fitting the camera masts with tasers and/or CS gas launchers that a majority would still be in favour?

I'd like to think not ....

 

[frogwoman]

to be honest, i don't think there's really much to worry about with this. obviously yeah the cameras barking out orders are quite intrusive and i think even the economist pointed out that it needs to be watched very closely but i don't think CCTV is really very high on my list of priorities of "things wrong with the world" or even with the country ...

 

[EddyBlack]

'Number of requests, by 2002, that law enforcement bodies made for data from mobile operators.

2 million '

 

[frogwoman]

to be completely honest though, i think if a mobile call has vital evidence for a murder or a terrorist plot or something and it's evidence the police don't have access to i think they have every right to request the information.

 

[frogwoman]

*runs and hides*

 

[Hocus Eye.]

This is an extract from the Mail <washes out mouth with soap and water>

Records will detail precisely what calls are made, their time and duration, and the name and address of the registered user of the phone.

The files will even reveal where people are when they made mobile phone calls. By knowing which mast transmitted the signal, officials will be able to pinpoint the source of a call to within a few feet. This can even be used to track someone's route if, for example, they make a call from a moving car.

It seems it is the records about the phone call that can be kept up to one year and then accessed by several hundreds of officials right down to local authority level.

This will not be the content of the call, companies don't record your calls, it would be prohibitively expensive and unprofitable for them. I don't believe that they will be able to pin point the location of callers to within a few feet either, the masts cover a large area.

 

[EddyBlack]

 

[Hocus Eye.]

EddyBlack

You have put your head above the parapet here. From now on I will be monitoring your posts closely and keeping records. It is only a matter of time before my people know who you really are, where you live and where you shop and work.

Keep looking behind you and wear a space-blanket under your longest coat. The tinfoil hat is no protection for our latest transmitters.

 

[EddyBlack]

This will not be the content of the call, companies don't record your calls, it would be prohibitively expensive and unprofitable for them.

And e-mails? What about them?

 

[chymaera]

And e-mails? What about them?

To be honest anyone who think e-mails, telephone calls be they landline or mobile are secure they are a fool. Whilst it is totally impractical to monitor everyone all of the time, it is possible to monitor all communication in a targetted area with no problem whatsoever. Using code word searching in a targetted area does not even need Home Office approval because as it is not active monitoring of a specific phone and doesn't need it.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

And e-mails? What about them?

I don't know how long email providers keep emails after you have deleted them. Certainly emails within businesses stay on the servers as long as they choose to leave them there. This can be useful if you are being harassed at work via email because you can get the evidence.

Also Googlemail I understand is saved on to the internet for ever. So yes emails are a surveillance operative's dream.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Using code word searching in a targetted area does not even need Home Office approval because as it is not active monitoring of a specific phone and doesn't need it.

That is an interesting assertion. Can you back it up with a source? Is this something separate from the Echelon screening mentioned in one of my earlier posts?

 

[chymaera]

That is an interesting assertion. Can you back it up with a source? Is this something separate from the Echelon screening mentioned in one of my earlier posts?

It is why Echelon and GCHQ can get away with it. A phone tap has to be exactly that, a physical monitoring of a specific phone number.
(That is why the journalist ended up in court recently.)

 

[Hocus Eye.]

So it is not something that your local police could do then is it? Echelon and GCHQ surveillance is widespread not targetted. Let's see a source if you are going to make such assertions.

 

[Blagsta]

That lad would have been 8 when the wall came down. I don't think he remembers the Stasi first hand.

Exactly.

 

[chymaera]

So it is not something that your local police could do then is it? Echelon and GCHQ surveillance is widespread not targetted. Let's see a source if you are going to make such assertions.

The whole point is Echelon and GCHQ AREN'T the police. A few years ago I asked a specific question in writing before a police/public liaison meeting about how many phone taps Devon and Cornwall police had applied to the Home Office for. The answer (for the previous year) was two.

 

[chymaera]

Interesting comments about phone tapping here:-
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/westcountry/2004/03/286480.html

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Chymaera

Let's just return to your statement thus:

Using code word searching in a targetted area does not even need Home Office approval because as it is not active monitoring of a specific phone and doesn't need it.

Again, can you provide a source to support your assertion that searching in a targetted area doesn't need Home Office approval?

 

[chymaera]

Chymaera

Let's just return to your statement thus:


Again, can you provide a source to support your assertion that searching in a targetted area doesn't need Home Office approval?

Have you read the referenced page which covers your point?

 

[Hocus Eye.]

No, where is this referenced page?

 

[Ravel]

Also Googlemail I understand is saved on to the internet for ever. So yes emails are a surveillance operative's dream.

This was put about a lot when Gmail first launched, but is not the case. Once you delete something, it's gone. They just encourage you not to delete things, as you never know when you might want something again...

 

[chymaera]

Have you read the referenced page which covers your point?

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[Hocus Eye.]

I have read that particular link. It contained no more information than I had already mentioned in my post about Echelon earlier on especially the bit about the UK and USA swapping information to get around the international laws.

There is no reference to targetting and the police in that link. Perhaps you would like to cut and paste the specific sentence or so from the link, that acts as a source for your assertion that searching in a targetted area does not require Home Office approval.