"Spot The White Man-Immigration Invasion-Peckham" YouTube

[Orang Utan]

there different kinds of brown - some are more acceptable than others

 

[Treacle Toes]

there different kinds of brown - some are more acceptable than others

Oh...

Could you tell me which 'kind' of brown is acceptable please:



Thanks in advance.

 

[Stoat Boy]

So they already speak the language and can read and write it well ?

They will go to a school which they already have lots of friends in ?

Is it yourself or your children's mother that is from Croatia?

Ish.

Yes.

Mum.

 

[Orang Utan]

Oh...

Could you tell me which 'kind' of brown is acceptable please:



Thanks in advance.

6, 9, 12 & 13 are right out.

 

[Treacle Toes]

6, 9, 12 & 13 are right out.

Ah I see....I shouldn't approach him or try to make friends with his kids then when i've been on the beach/on holiday then....Those swatches are all from photos of me at different times of the year/after different amounts of sun exposure.

 

[Orang Utan]

you'd confuse the poor man i think. oh wait, you've got curly hair, so he definitely wouldn't want you making friends with his kids.

 

[BlackArab]

I do know that.

Yeh but they're not racist as far as I can tell FFS What do you want me to say?

...Oh I know. Some of their best friends are black....that should settle it.

Say what the hell you want, this is a forum for debate, no? Just stop pussy-footing around with that 'not getting into it' bollocks.

 

[IMR]

I think it's perfectly reasonable not to want to send your kids to a school where they'd be in a visible minority and where lax discipline would fail to protect them from being bullied.

tbh it might be more of a fear of violence thing at work rather than fear of other races. Plenty of Asian and African parents seem to want to send their kids to white majority public schools.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I think it's perfectly reasonable not to want to send your kids to a school where they'd be in a visible minority and where lax discipline would fail to protect them from being bullied.
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Visible minority? You mean that they don't 'look' like the majority?

...and where did the lax discipline aspect come into this? Although I can see that discipline in schools is a important consideration.

Plenty of Asian and African parents seem to want to send their kids to white majority public schools.

So....you are now implying there is less violence in schools that have a White majority?

How many Asian and African parents do actually know?

 

[IMR]

Visible minority? You mean that they don't 'look' like the majority?

Yes obviously.

So....you are now implying there is less violence in schools that have a White majority?

No, I was implying that many Asian and African parents seem keen to get their children into public schools, despite the fact that their children would be in a 'visible minority' there.

Hence children being in a minority at school need not be perceived as an overriding factor at all times and in all places: it's not some invariant part of human nature.

I think you knew that's what I meant in the first place.

But seeing as you've raised the issue: many parents probably do perceive white majority schools to be the safest places to send their children, at least in London.

Straight question for you: How realistic a perception do you consider that to be?

School exclusion rates differ substantially among different ethnic groups nationally: high for Caribbean children, similar for white and Black African children, low among Pakistani, Chinese, and Bangladeshi children, lowest for Indian kids. (Guardian exclusion rates graph) You would expect there to be some correlation between aggressive behaviour and exclusion from school.

(Yes, on the basis of those figures you might wonder why Asian majority schools aren't number one choice for nervous parents, no doubt there's an explanation, and no doubt xenophobic fear is a part of it.)

As regards your somewhat rhetorical question about whether I know any Asian or African parents or not - very few, but so what? How many would I need to know before they could constitute a statistically valid sample? My impressions come from reading newspaper and magazine articles over the years.

 

[citygirl]

Yes obviously.



No, I was implying that many Asian and African parents seem keen to get their children into public schools, despite the fact that their children would be in a 'visible minority' there.

Hence children being in a minority at school need not be perceived as an overriding factor at all times and in all places: it's not some invariant part of human nature.

I think you knew that's what I meant in the first place.

But seeing as you've raised the issue: many parents probably do perceive white majority schools to be the safest places to send their children, at least in London.

Straight question for you: How realistic a perception do you consider that to be?

School exclusion rates differ substantially among different ethnic groups nationally: high for Caribbean children, similar for white and Black African children, low among Pakistani, Chinese, and Bangladeshi children, lowest for Indian kids. (Guardian exclusion rates graph) You would expect there to be some correlation between aggressive behaviour and exclusion from school.

(Yes, on the basis of those figures you might wonder why Asian majority schools aren't number one choice for nervous parents, no doubt there's an explanation, and no doubt xenophobic fear is a part of it.)

As regards your somewhat rhetorical question about whether I know any Asian or African parents or not - very few, but so what? How many would I need to know before they could constitute a statistically valid sample? My impressions come from reading newspaper and magazine articles over the years.

not REAL experience then... just the papers/magazines/media who feed the fears and prejudices of those who wouldn't have any real experience.... makes perfect sense to me

 

[IMR]

Depends on the newspapers and magazines, I'd imagine.

 

[Corax]

The video made it look like quite a nice place to live to me. I'm clearly not the target audience.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Yes obviously.

So why not just come out and say a different colour/race then?

No, I was implying that many Asian and African parents seem keen to get their children into public schools, despite the fact that their children would be in a 'visible minority' there.

That's about proven/perceived standards of academic success. Nothing to do with which race the majority are.

Hence children being in a minority at school need not be perceived as an overriding factor at all times and in all places: it's not some invariant part of human nature.

Asian and African children/parents in this country are used to being in the minority. Being a minority at school isn't anything uncommon for the majority of Asian and African children.

Perhaps you think they all go to schools where they are the majority...perhaps you think all schools are like that now....perhaps you think there are more asians and Africans in this country than there really are?

I think you knew that's what I meant in the first place.

I wasn't sure tbh.

But seeing as you've raised the issue: many parents probably do perceive white majority schools to be the safest places to send their children, at least in London.

Provide evidence of this please.

If you can't provide evidence I suggest you accept that you are actually talking about your own perceptions.

School exclusion rates differ substantially among different ethnic groups nationally: high for Caribbean children, similar for white and Black African children, low among Pakistani, Chinese, and Bangladeshi children, lowest for Indian kids. (Guardian exclusion rates graph) You would expect there to be some correlation between aggressive behaviour and exclusion from school.

(Yes, on the basis of those figures you might wonder why Asian majority schools aren't number one choice for nervous parents, no doubt there's an explanation, and no doubt xenophobic fear is a part of it.)

So you are concluding that the majority of school exclusions are because of aggressive behaviour.

That would put Caribbean children as the most aggressive using your logic.

You have not mention Caribbean children until now. Only Asian and African. Why is that?

Do you know very much about education in the Caribbean? Do you know that many Caribbean parents who have the means send their children to be schooled there? Why do you think that is?

You say exclusion rates are similar for White and African Children, would you then send your kid to a school where there was an African Majority...seeing as though, using your logic African children are no more agressive than White children?

...taking your logic further still...exclusion rates are lowest amongst Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Chinese children..i.e Asian children. Using your logic this means that Asian children are the least agressive..

Why then are you against sending your children to a school where the majority of children are not visably like them...the majority could be visably African or Asian which, by your logic has them as most similar to or less aggressive than White children... You are clearly only really worried by brown-ness.

I think you need to think this whole thing out some more.

Perhaps you suffer from melalin envy.

As regards your somewhat rhetorical question about whether I know any Asian or African parents or not - very few, but so what?

How can you speak for people you don't know and have no real experience of?

How many would I need to know before they could constitute a statistically valid sample? My impressions come from reading newspaper and magazine articles over the years.

Yes, you have formed a view from reading newspaper and magazine articles, the majority of which were probably not written by Asian and African parents...so what exactly do you know about how they think and feel?

 

[citygirl]

The video made it look like quite a nice place to live to me. I'm clearly not the target audience.

me too... i'd HATE to live somewhere "all white".. to me, it's just not natural

 

[citygirl]

Perhaps you suffer from melalin envy.

 

[IMR]

Melanin.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Melanin.

Envy.

 

[Orang Utan]

 

[Zaskar]

my reaction to the bnp videos.

Posted yesterday and pulled after 1000 views as ' hate speech ' - it isnt it is clearly satire. No doubt the bnpers got up a complainathon and you tube can be crap.

Spot the white man stapleton rd bristol.

 

[citygirl]

"look - even the bins are black!"

 

[citygirl]

has he been anywhere near willie wonkas factory??

 

[Orang Utan]

"look - even the bins are black!"

a toddler with a blade!

 

[Zaskar]

My fav gag is the toddler one.
I hold out no hope that this will stay up - i have a long history of video war with the bnp are they seem to have an army of people trying to control the internet - shamefully you tube leave up many inflammatory and hateful vids they make - vexing.

They dont like it up em.

 

[citygirl]

a toddler with a blade!

which was mine too.. but someone had already flagged that one

 

[IMR]

That's about proven/perceived standards of academic success. Nothing to do with which race the majority are.

Yes.

Perhaps you think they all go to schools where they are the majority...perhaps you think all schools are like that now....perhaps you think there are more asians and Africans in this country than there really are?

Perhaps you're putting words in my mouth...

If you can't provide evidence I suggest you accept that you are actually talking about your own perceptions.

The scramble for school places in 'desirable' areas and the long-term trend for migration by all ethnic groups outwards to the leafy suburbs is not a figment of my imagination.

So you are concluding that the majority of school exclusions are because of aggressive behaviour.

My words were 'some correlation with'. That is not the same thing at all as 'the majority of'.

But hopefully your error was made in haste, rather than on purpose.

That would put Caribbean children as the most aggressive using your logic.

In London, they're disproportionately involved in gang culture, knife and gun crime.

Do you know very much about education in the Caribbean? Do you know that many Caribbean parents who have the means send their children to be schooled there? Why do you think that is?

I did know that, and some West African families send their children to schools in Ghana and Nigeria. Some Indian families sent their children to India for their schooling as well.

The reasons are pretty obvious: they think their children will do better in them than in the schools available to them in Britain. School fees will be cheaper in those countries than here, and I'd guess that the curriculum is more firmly focused on the traditional three Rs. Also, their children can be removed from gang culture influences by sending them abroad for their schooling.

You say exclusion rates are similar for White and African Children, would you then send your kid to a school where there was an African Majority...seeing as though, using your logic African children are no more agressive than White children?

That's quite possible. I don't believe that there are innate racial differences in propensity to violence, because the evidence disproves it. History disproves it.

...taking your logic further still...exclusion rates are lowest amongst Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Chinese children..i.e Asian children. Using your logic this means that Asian children are the least agressive..

In general, yes, but there will average differences among those groups reflecting different histories, economic class and so on.

Question for you: What do you think explains the differences in exclusion rates in that chart?

Why then are you against sending your children to a school where the majority of children are not visably like them...the majority could be visably African or Asian which, by your logic has them as most similar to or less aggressive than White children...

I certainly wouldn't be against sending my children to such a school, and I have never said that I would be. My concern would be that they'd get a good education - end of.

You are constructing straw man arguments, something you do quite a lot.

 

[Corax]

me too... i'd HATE to live somewhere "all white".. to me, it's just not natural

Don't give a toss either way to be honest. I'd love to have greengrocers, fishmongers and butchers like that near me though.

 

[THINK!]

Utter bullshit. That really pisses me off as I grew up round there, kicking a ball on the rye, etc. What the hell does the person who made that thinks it proves? If you went round Little-Haunton-Under-Cock with a camera you might find a vast majority of ignorant middle Englanders, but that still means nothing in the main. Just a few hundred meters from Peckham high street is Lordship lane East Dulwich, one of the most up and coming trendy middle class spots in London. Take a camera there on a Friday night and it’s vastly white affluent city folk. The fact of the matter is all the statistics (or even video evidence in this case) is determinant on how wide a net you throw out. Take a demographic of Peckham high street, Lordship lane, Dulwich, Camberwell, Southwark borough as a whole (which those other areas fall into) and you get wildly varying results. All this proves is that London, and south London in particular is a highly diverse and ethnically sporadic place. I remember seeing the Exorcist in Peckham cinema when it got re-released in 1998, well I think I saw it, there was so much dope smoke in the place I can’t remember. As I say, classic loci!

i think the point is this is England so you would expect to see English people in up-and coming Lordship lane. (Memories of childhood- Nan lived off Lordship Lane)

 

[THINK!]

me too... i'd HATE to live somewhere "all white".. to me, it's just not natural

Me too, White people ar so boring and uncool, I don't want to be associated with them, no way

 

[THINK!]

This is the thing that the BNP and other racists can't ever understand that 99% of people in London DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE FROM!

Surely mor than that do. Didn't the BNP come fourth in the Majoral Elections, don't know what the % was tho.