temper_tantrum
The beauty of the ride
Isn't Manze's still in Peckham?
(I'm assuming you're still talking about Peckham? I haven't seen the video)
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Isn't Manze's still in Peckham?
(I'm assuming you're still talking about Peckham? I haven't seen the video)
toblerone3
Grrrrr
I do know that.
Yeh but they're not racist as far as I can tell FFS
What do you want me to say?...Oh I know. Some of their best friends are black....that should settle it.
I think its a valid point to say that it is racist for people to be put off a school for their kids based on the ethnic make up of the school.
But guilty as charged. What is so wrong with wanting your children to learn in an enviroment in which the majority of other pupils come from a similar background ? My own prejudice is as much about the type of parents as opposed to skin colour but I am not going to go all defensive and pretend that its not an issue because it is for me.
But guilty as charged. What is so wrong with wanting your children to learn in an enviroment in which the majority of other pupils come from a similar background ? My own prejudice is as much about the type of parents as opposed to skin colour but I am not going to go all defensive and pretend that its not an issue because it is for me.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
= I'm a racist but so what, I don't care.
Thanks for that.
Thanks for that.
al
window licker
what makes you think they don't come from a similar background?
ska invita
back on the other side
RE: Schools - The problem in Peckham is the schools are poor, mainly because the kids who go to them have such troubled family situations. I did a bit of volunteering with young offenders in Peckham, and time and time again its a case of nice enough parents struggling to bring up their kids cos they're out working, or its a case of 4 kids of different ages all sharing one room, so they're out on the street etc. etc. These schools are failing, but its a mistake to associate this with skin colour - tis out and out poverty that makes them so bad.
For what it is worth, one stat that gets wheeled out on these occasion is that black boys nationally do better in primary school than their white counterparts, but that this stat reverses sharply in secondary school. A lot of different factors cited as to why...
*And you're right temper tantrum - still got jellied eels in Manzes!
For what it is worth, one stat that gets wheeled out on these occasion is that black boys nationally do better in primary school than their white counterparts, but that this stat reverses sharply in secondary school. A lot of different factors cited as to why...
*And you're right temper tantrum - still got jellied eels in Manzes!
temper_tantrum
The beauty of the ride
I thought so, went past on the bus the other day and craned my neck to see if Manze's was still there.
This is always used, its a circular argument: many, though not all, of the people who you describe as poor, in poverty, etc are migrants, migrants generally by definition are poor, at least when they first arrive, as usual No Borders supporters use the cry of racism when what we are basically talking about is uncontrolled, (yes, read the newpapers about NL social engineering in the last ten years), immigration. Its also funny how left wing defenders of democracy in many other spheres are quiet when it seems NL have been deliberately lying and misusing immigration policy for political goals.
citygirl
friendly fire
Why don't you agree with them? You can't disagree, then not give your reasons why.. otherwise there's no point disagreeing. and we can just ignore your opinions, yeah?
And as it happens... and as education is a personal choice. I actually PREFER to have my child educated in this way, BECAUSE it's doing exactly what I want it to do, I live in a bi-cultural area, and send my child to the local school, and therefore she attends school with the children she lives local to and plays with, as i stand in the playground and chat to the parents of the children she plays at home with, and whom are my neighbours...... having had 3 others educated in relatively mixed schools, I can honestly say that this has had no detrimental effect on her education whatsoever, and actually, she excels, and is able to help the children who find English difficult to master.... So.. how is this a bad thing?...
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Please ignore my opinions then.
Treacle Toes
Time
So you want your kids to:
1: be in the majority...
2: be from a similar background to the other kids... (class/religion or race?)
3: Have the same kind of parents as you are...(class/religion/race?)
citygirl
friendly fire
Yes although I prefer it to be more middle class parents than those from my own working class background. They tend to give more of a fuck about thier kids education and get involved with how a school is being run. Makes for better times for all.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
I don't think you've thought this through at all have you.... Given where your ideas logically end?!
Treacle Toes
Time
So your desire is for your kids to be in a majority middle class school even though you are working class?
....that would though make them in them minority which isn't what you said you wanted.
stoat boy said:
Perhaps you want your kids in a school where the majority of them are similar to your kids but middle classed.... I just wonder what 'similar to' means to you.
Why not ?
Ok I might be playing the Devils advocate here but why is this whole melting pot idea so good that its the only one allowed to have any support ?
What is wrong with wanting your kids to grow up in an enviroment in which they are educated with people from the same cultural background ?
Now I admit that I would not send my kids to a school which had a non-white majority but I would also not send them to a school in which the majority of the kids were on free school dinners either.
My kids are not pawns in anybodys social engineering wet dreams.
So your desire is for your kids to be in a majority middle class school even though you are working class?
....that would though make them in them minority which isn't what you said you wanted.
Perhaps you want your kids in a school where the majority of them are similar to your kids but middle classed.... I just wonder what 'similar to' means to you.
I would say that many of my values and aspirations now are middle class. I tend to share more values with middle class people than I do those from my own background and feel more comfortable in that company.
Treacle Toes
Time
I have a feeling you are not playing devil's advocate at all. You are just being cautious about saying what you really think. Understandable and I respect you for finally being honest/clear.
Do you believe the working classes and the middle classes have the same cultural background. Are their no differences?
Only your own it seems....
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
because you have complained about communities not integrating and yet here you are arguing in favour of deliberately ghettoising yourself and by dint of that others. You are defending the segregation of society.
But your kids ARE pawns in your own personally prejudicial games. Funny that....
Thats a fair point. I can be a hypocritical so and so. But I would argue that if I moved to a foreign country to live on a permanent basis then I would make every effort to assimilate and that would include me sending my kids to the local schools and I would want them to mix fully with the locals. In fact moving to Croatia is an option for us and there would certainly not be any of this 'international' school nonsense for us.
And I would not place them in schools, if I could help it, that did not have a majority of the native population studying there.
As for my own 'prejudicial games' then I make no apologies for that. I did not have a bad up bringing and by the standards of many of my contemparys it was a very priviliged one but I want to carry on the ambitions of my parents and grand parents who wanted us to go up the social ladder because its better the higher you go.
What a stupid thing to say.
citygirl
friendly fire
That's your opinion.. you're entitled to it
Treacle Toes
Time
So you want you kids to be in the majority at school where the culture/class of the children/their parents is similar to your own but are going to send them to a school in Croatia where they will be very much in the minority culturally/linguistically etc......
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Your politics are nothing more than hypocrisy writ large.
So you want you kids to be in the majority at school where the culture/class of the children/their parents is similar to your own but are going to send them to a school in Croatia where they will be very much in the minority culturally/linguistically etc......
Not really. They already have joint nationality, spend most of the summer there and have a whole network of family & friends.
Treacle Toes
Time
So they already speak the language and can read and write it well ?
They will go to a school which they already have lots of friends in ?
Is it yourself or your children's mother that is from Croatia?
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
he doesn't want his kids to have brown friends, that's all.
Treacle Toes
Time
But the summer is very hot in Croatia...everyone gets a suntan...What will they do then? Move to Greenland?
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