Split - Underground SPAM Party

[editor]

The Offline Xmas party at Jamm was a commercial event at a commercial space then.

I've done over 25 free Offline club nights and the one-off Christmas event comprised of ten bands, 15 DJs, VJs, poets, stand-up etc, all for just £3, to cover costs.

And, of course, I didn't spam the night, didn't make any suggestions about it being underground or print out flyers with 'street' graphics.

So, hardly comparable, I'd say.

 

[editor]

They don't hire professional DJs - the only reason that the events that do cost more money.

I 'hire' professional bands and performers though.

Howards Marks has played huge venues!

 

[rutabowa]

to be fair to the night "Underground Resistance" isn't their name, it's the name of a record label that has been going for ages and if anyone anywhere could use the word "Underground" truthfully it would be them!

 

[zenie]

You eat rancid spam that's been in the ground for six months?


erm... I'm doing my hair that night. Whenever it is. Soz.

No not spam shark meat

Go on try it you might like it

 

[Dubversion]

how come these things always turn into a row? i'm sure the Split people are lovely, but it was still Spam, but similarly just because they're charging 12 quid, doesn't mean they're profiteering scum.

different nights have different parameters is all.

(polishes fence)

 

[Orang Utan]

I've done over 25 free Offline club nights and the one-off Christmas event comprised of ten bands, 15 DJs, VJs, poets, stand-up etc, all for just £3, to cover costs.

And, of course, I didn't spam the night, didn't make any suggestions about it being underground or print out flyers with 'street' graphics.

So, hardly comparable, I'd say.

So you still maintain that promoters who hire their favourite DJs to fly over from the states to play at a venue that cost the earth and therefore have to promote the night to fill the venue to recoop costs are still running 'commercial ventures' not putting on a clubnight that plays woefully underexposed music as a labour of love?

 

[Orang Utan]

how come these things always turn into a row?

I'm hoping it's not seen as a 'row', just a difference in opinion - nowt wrong with disagreeing about a stuff is there. No-one's being rude.






Cunt.

 

[MysteryGuest]

No not spam shark meat

Go on try it you might like it

Only if you eat some first, in front of me. Without spitting it out into a hanky afterwards. So to speak.

 

[Orang Utan]

I 'hire' professional bands and performers though.

Howards Marks has played huge venues!

You pay them?

 

[MysteryGuest]

No-one's being rude.

I wish people were being rude tbh. It's more entertaining!

 

[Belushi]

I wish people were being rude tbh. It's more entertaining!

Do one, tosspot

 

[Orang Utan]

how come these things always turn into a row? i'm sure the Split people are lovely, but it was still Spam, but similarly just because they're charging 12 quid, doesn't mean they're profiteering scum.

different nights have different parameters is all.

(polishes fence)

Quite, I just can't help myself challenging the notion that people who put parties on with DJs they have to pay a lot of money to in venues that cost money to hire are, as you say, 'profiteering scum'


I would also like to understand the reasoning behind editor's continual cranky-old-man use of words like 'street' and 'edgy' as a valid criticism of graphic design.

 

[editor]

So you still maintain that promoters who hire their favourite DJs to fly over from the states to play at a venue that cost the earth and therefore have to promote the night to fill the venue to recoop costs are still running 'commercial ventures' not putting on a clubnight that plays woefully underexposed music as a labour of love?

I've no idea seeing as I'm not privy to the hiring costs of the venue or how much the acts are being paid.

But unless you have inside knowledge of this, how would you know if it's a labour of love or a big earner?



I see the club has got a capacity of 1,000, so if they sell out that's around £15,000 coming into the coffers. Plenty of potential for payouts for all concerned there, I would have thought.

But I don't really care if someone wants to put on an pricey DJ club in an upmarket corporate venue. I won't be there, but good luck to them.

But I fucking hate spamming cunts, especially when they try and exploit non profit sites.

 

[editor]

Quite, I just can't help myself challenging the notion that people who put parties on with DJs they have to pay a lot of money to in venues that cost money to hire are, as you say, 'profiteering scum'

Sorry. Who's calling them 'profiteering scum'?

I would also like to understand the reasoning behind editor's continual cranky-old-man use of words like 'street' and 'edgy' as a valid criticism of graphic design.

So I'm not entitled to pass on an opinion of a flyer advertised on my own fucking site?

 

[Orang Utan]

Sorry. Who's calling them 'profiteering scum'?

They were not your words, but you seem to view party promoters in that way.

So I'm not entitled to pass on an opinion of a flyer advertised on my own fucking site?

Of course not, I just don't understand your reasoning on it.
You promote a night - you need to let people know about it - the flyer has to stand out with an eye-catching design. Simple logic IMO

 

[Belushi]

I see the club has got a capacity of 1,000, so if they sell out that's around £15,000 coming into the coffers. Plenty of potential for payouts for all concerned there, I would have thought.

I'd be amazed if you got any change out of hiring UR and flying them from Detroit and hiring the venue for 15 grand.

 

[Orang Utan]

But I don't really care if someone wants to put on an pricey DJ club in an upmarket corporate venue. I won't be there, but good luck to them.

Believe me, promoters don't like dealing with cuntish venue owners (nice reasonable ones are few and far between), but unfortunately they have to cos the 'upmarket corporate venue' have the sound sytems that are adequate enough to put on a decent night.

 

[editor]

They were not your words, but you seem to view party promoters in that way.

No. I'm not having you out words in my mouth like that. I've said nothing of the sort.

Of course not, I just don't understand your reasoning on it.
You promote a night - you need to let people know about it - the flyer has to stand out with an eye-catching design.

And there you go again. I wasn't referring to how 'eye catching' the design was, just its graphic style.

Oh well.

 

[Orang Utan]

But I fucking hate spamming cunts, especially when they try and exploit non profit sites.

No quibbles with you there

 

[editor]

Believe me, promoters don't like dealing with cuntish venue owners (nice reasonable ones are few and far between), but unfortunately they have to cos the 'upmarket corporate venue' have the sound sytems that are adequate enough to put on a decent night.

Yes. I do know a little something about hiring venues, you know!

 

[split]

Hi guys

OOPS!! Sorry for causing any problems by posting this up on the board here-we are just trying to promote our party and this site has been mentioned lots of times and it was suggested we post it up on here. We didnt read the rules and apologise for any inconvenience caused.

To clarify what Orangutan has been saying, UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE is a US based label and production outfit. Its nothing to do with us claiming to be "underground" or "street" - just a party in a venue in King's Cross that we hope to be a good show for the people who come along.

Once again sincere apologies and next time we do a free party (which we have done and will be doing more of this year) we will post details on here for those interested.

SPLIT

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes. I do know a little something about hiring venues, you know!

Not the kind of venues you need to put on the kind of party Split put on ie big techno parties
It's hard even to put on small 300 cap techno parties.

 

[editor]

Once again sincere apologies and next time we do a free party (which we have done and will be doing more of this year) we will post details on here for those interested.

Thank you.

Bear in mind that these boards are discussion boards, so just coming here solely to post up adverts for parties, (whether they be free or not) isn't really in the spirit of the place. It's a community and you're welcome to join in!

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[Streathamite]

I'd be amazed if you got any change out of hiring UR and flying them from Detroit and hiring the venue for 15 grand.

eh? thought UR were the label and it was their bash?

 

[editor]

Not the kind of venues you need to put on the kind of party Split put on ie big techno parties

Err, I've promoted events at venues as big as the Hammersmith Palais in the past.

Big enough for you?

 

[Belushi]

eh? thought UR were the label and it was their bash?

Yeah, its the UR deejays playing but someone else has organised it (I think!)

 

[Orang Utan]

No. I'm not having you out words in my mouth like that. I've said nothing of the sort.

Sorry, that wasn't my intention, though I do think you have a weird attitude to a certain kind of party that you admit you have no interest in attending. Many of my friends are promoters and put on parties on small and large venues and none of them are profit-driven. It's my scene, I've been going to these kind of parties for a long time and I've never met one single promoter who views their events as 'commercial ventures' - they have a great attitude towards undwerground music and if it wasn't for them, the scene would be a dismal one.
I just want people to be aware of that and, spamming aside, the vast majority of promoters are doing it cos they love the music and feel that they need to do this so there is an outlet for it.

And there you go again. I wasn't referring to how 'eye catching' the design was, just its graphic style.

Oh well.

I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make with your 'street' comments to be honest. I would appreciate some clarification.

 

[Orang Utan]

Err, I've promoted events at venues as big as the Hammersmith Palais in the past.

Big enough for you?

How far in the past?

 

[Dubversion]

editor - i really don't think Orang is disputing the wrongness of spamming, he's just defending the criticisms that get tagged onto the act of spamming. spamming isn't OK, but it doesn't mean you're a fucking moneygrabber.

doesn't need to turn into a row about who puts on what sort of nights or whatever

 

[editor]

Sorry, that wasn't my intention, though I do think you have a weird attitude to a certain kind of party that you admit you have no interest in attending.

I have no interest in seeing them spammed on here either.