dessiato
4 years and I still cry sometimes
That's the books!
From the sound of this teacher he really needs to go back to the classroom and learn how to deal with people. I'm afraid I couldn't work for someone like him. He clearly has a problem.
spelling/grammar question
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That's the books!
From the sound of this teacher he really needs to go back to the classroom and learn how to deal with people. I'm afraid I couldn't work for someone like him. He clearly has a problem.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
But it's wrong - stop doing it
This, however, is possibly the wrongest grammar explanation I've ever read
Yes
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
What a depressing thread 
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
There will always be dense teachers who quite happily pass on poor grammar to pupils. I remember my teacher sending my parents a letter sayng how cheeky I was since (as an 8-year old) I'd argued with her about the correct use of "lose" and "loose" during an English lesson. My dad (a languages teacher) wrote back to say that I was indeed in the right and that she should take a linguistics course! Quite depressing really.
"should've" is pronouced more like "shud uv" not shud ov" - unless you're from London's Eastend, or Essex, or want to sound pig ignorant. The same goes for could've, would've and ought to've etc. All correctly used in spoken English, but the long forms are more often used in formal written English.
Could 've and "should've" have different meanings - "could've" implies that the person was able to do something and maybe had a choice,
-"should've" says nothing about the person's abilities, it merely states what they were supposed to do
"ought to've" implies that a rule (legal or moral) required the person to do something but says nothing about what the person was able to do.
BTW "should" doesn't change, the verb after it does, usually back by one tense. If I'd learnt languages one generation earlier, I'd've been able to give you the grammatical terms for this, but as it is, you'll just have to work out what I mean.
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This thread reminds me of a lecturer of English at a German University who spoke fluent American English but hadn't got a clue about "British English", which he described as an accent. This is like a chef not knowing the difference between an onion and a spring onion.
He insisted that "a one off" had to be a typo as he'd never come across the phrase, and refused to explain what transcendental (as in the American literature trend, not meditation) meant, insisting that anyone well read should understand it. He also had a habit of parroting phrases from American gameshows which made absolutely no sense in English at all. Some people shouldn't be allowed to teach foreign languages
Could 've and "should've" have different meanings - "could've" implies that the person was able to do something and maybe had a choice,
-"should've" says nothing about the person's abilities, it merely states what they were supposed to do
"ought to've" implies that a rule (legal or moral) required the person to do something but says nothing about what the person was able to do.
BTW "should" doesn't change, the verb after it does, usually back by one tense. If I'd learnt languages one generation earlier, I'd've been able to give you the grammatical terms for this, but as it is, you'll just have to work out what I mean.
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This thread reminds me of a lecturer of English at a German University who spoke fluent American English but hadn't got a clue about "British English", which he described as an accent. This is like a chef not knowing the difference between an onion and a spring onion.
He insisted that "a one off" had to be a typo as he'd never come across the phrase, and refused to explain what transcendental (as in the American literature trend, not meditation) meant, insisting that anyone well read should understand it. He also had a habit of parroting phrases from American gameshows which made absolutely no sense in English at all. Some people shouldn't be allowed to teach foreign languages
It's easy to be careless with your own language. One French language tutor (he was teaching French conversation as part of his degree course's year over here) asked the group which jobs we thought were "difficile" (difficult) and actually admitted that he'd got it muddled up with "dur" (hard) at the end of the session when I explained (in a piss poor accent) why we'd come up with jobs like scientist, doctor etc not miner, farmer, sewage worker.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I will start a campaign to get 'should of' into the English speaking world....
You should be ashamed of yourself!
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Should of makes no sense whatsoever - as an English teacher you should know this! You do know what the word 'of' means don't you?
untethered
For industry & decency
I suppose that makes someone who's passed (sic) it an of-been.
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
Essential for a total waste of precious classroom time. Homework only, if at all.
And for a Christmas present to this teacher.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I was joking. Of course I will uphold the high standards of the Queen's English during my time here....and that book wot you said be gr8
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
Not really. They teach you how to teach it.
extra dry
Happy to be here
scifisam
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The book is called Essential English in Use.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
'wot you said be gr8' that is OK???
Yes, because it's not fraudulently posing as proper written English.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Tbf to extra dry, he's probably way more qualified and, god help us, has a far better grammar knowledge than a lot (most?) of the 'teachers' working in Korean language 'schools'. EFL in Korea's purely business; noone, bar a few teachers, gives a toss if students are learning, just as long as they can pay.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Yes, I agree and I wouldn't want to seem too overly critical of extra dry. If you're teaching English (as a foreign language) at a basic level, then a bit of dodgy grammar/spelling probably doesn't matter too much.
When I first read this thread I thought he/she was teaching in this country.
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
Of this I am well aware. I was poking fun at both the smugness of its title, and the way it is often used.
extra dry
Happy to be here
Thanks....I do try my best to fight the tide of text English, TV English, american movies, soap and chat shows that seem to slowly be changing the way the Koreans speak.
Also I would not like the idea of teaching in the UK, just too much stress.
dessiato
4 years and I still cry sometimes
I'm currently trying to get my students to stop saying 'I'm loving it'. They are convinced that it is correct, and that McDonalds wouldn't use the phrase if it wasn't correct. They argue that I say it is wrong because I am anti-American. (Stative Verbs 
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Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
I think you're fighting a losing battle. It doesn't even come close to the abomination that is 'I'm hating on it' or when hearing something pleasurable, 'I'm liking it'
("It's present continuous though - I'm liking it now")(((stative verbs)))
purves'd probably say it's a lexical thing though, the heretic
scifisam
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I'm not going to get into this with you again. I am not going to have an argument when all I did was give the title of a book.
@extra dry - teaching EFL in the UK is blooming brilliant.
lontok2005
New Member
teaching EFL in the UK is blooming brilliant.
..and sadly badly paid.
