Speeding Tickets

[GarfieldLeChat]

Flashed twice, afaik under the limit both times. No tickets.

theres a camera near me which flashes the branches of the tree that often waves in front of it let alone cars coming down the opposite carrage way which is outside of it's supposed range... they are random as hell at times...

 

[marty21]

Three points may or may not mean an increase to your insurance depending on the offence that was committed. For doing 49mph in a 40mph zone, however, I would be amazed if you take any hit at all. That kind of offence is just too common to be able to be used as a risk indicator.

depends on the insurers, my last offence was 46 in a 40 , got 3 points and my insurers upped the premium by about £30 as well

 

[kabbes]

depends on the insurers, my last offence was 46 in a 40 , got 3 points and my insurers upped the premium by about £30 as well

Was this recently?

 

[marty21]

Was this recently?

about 18 months ago, i managed to get off the speeding ticket I got after that by going on a speed awareness course at an industrial park in oxfordshire

 

[Andrew Hertford]

then you're still fucking wrong and a cock to boot for not reading what's been written, thicko cunt...

I seem to have caused a bit of road rage here for which I apologise and I genuinely feel sorry for Global Stoner but I believe speeding fines should be quietly accepted and paid. Having driven for more than 30 years I know that people break the speed limit either because they let their concentration lapse or because they haven't grasped just how dangerous and anti-social it is. Either way, it's always the driver's responsibility.

If you're speeding and you're involved in an accident it'll be far worse, even if you were in full control of your car and didn't cause it yourself. I think if we are to save more lives then fines should be even higher.

 

[kabbes]

about 18 months ago, i managed to get off the speeding ticket I got after that by going on a speed awareness course at an industrial park in oxfordshire

Then I am surprised it affected your premium. Are you sure it was the speeding ticket specifically that forced your premium up and it wasn't just a general increase? If so, I guess that there must be some insurers using a simple SP30 or SP50 as a rating factor.

 

[Yelkcub]

I got done recently for 37 in a 30 zone and was offered the choice to go on a 'Speed Awareness' course. £95 but bo points

 

[snadge]

I seem to have caused a bit of road rage here for which I apologise and I genuinely feel sorry for Global Stoner but I believe speeding fines should be quietly accepted and paid. Having driven for more than 30 years I know that people break the speed limit either because they let their concentration lapse or because they haven't grasped just how dangerous and anti-social it is. Either way, it's always the driver's responsibility.

If you're speeding and you're involved in an accident it'll be far worse, even if you were in full control of your car and didn't cause it yourself. I think if we are to save more lives then fines should be even higher.

Well I disagree, EVERY speeding ticket should be contested as a matter of fact, speed cameras are being used as revenue generators and are placed in places where there is not clear indication of the speed limit, as has been pointed out on this thread, police forces have the annoying habit of erecting cameras in a road That is DUE to have it's speed limit changed, therefore illegal, the amount of revenue created just from people as idiotic as yourself is staggering, even though you haven't actually broke the law.

My last one was for doing 42 mph in a 30mph zone, bollocks, contested and thrown, it was as I was coming towards a 30mph contra-flow on a motorway, was clearly signed and I was slowing down to enter it, the UNMARKED camera van was clearly outside the 30mph zone, I thought nothing of it until the fine landed on my doorstep, all it took was a request for the incriminating evidence which clearly showed me outside the coned lead in.

I wonder how much they made off fools like you, that just paid up without a whimper.

 

[djbombscare]

What a bunch of moaners. Just keep to the fucking speed limit, it's easy. Speeding's as bad as drink driving.

for effort and content

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Well I disagree, EVERY speeding ticket should be contested as a matter of fact, speed cameras are being used as revenue generators and are placed in places where there is not clear indication of the speed limit, as has been pointed out on this thread, police forces have the annoying habit of erecting cameras in a road That is DUE to have it's speed limit changed, therefore illegal, the amount of revenue created just from people as idiotic as yourself is staggering, even though you haven't actually broke the law.

My last one was for doing 42 mph in a 30mph zone, bollocks, contested and thrown, it was as I was coming towards a 30mph contra-flow on a motorway, was clearly signed and I was slowing down to enter it, the UNMARKED camera van was clearly outside the 30mph zone, I thought nothing of it until the fine landed on my doorstep, all it took was a request for the incriminating evidence which clearly showed me outside the coned lead in.

I wonder how much they made off fools like you, that just paid up without a whimper.

Never had a ticket in my life.

 

[Pingu]

ask if there is an option of going on one of those driver awareness courses.

costs a bit more but no points


so no tickets then.. never speeded or just never been caught?

 

[djbombscare]

Never had a ticket in my life.

Neither had most people until they let the council start dishing them out like sweets.

 

[snadge]

Never had a ticket in my life.

How many miles do you drive a year?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

for effort and content

Point taken. (even if it's only one)

 

[marty21]

Then I am surprised it affected your premium. Are you sure it was the speeding ticket specifically that forced your premium up and it wasn't just a general increase? If so, I guess that there must be some insurers using a simple SP30 or SP50 as a rating factor.

when i rang to renew they asked me if i had any speeding convictions since I last renewed, I said yes, it put me up to 6 points at the time, I asked if it made a diference to the premium, and they said yes, about £30, i guess getting up to 6 points might also have been a factor

 

[Andrew Hertford]

How many miles do you drive a year?

About 5000. Do I qualify to have an opinion?

 

[marty21]

I got done recently for 37 in a 30 zone and was offered the choice to go on a 'Speed Awareness' course. £95 but bo points

i did one of those last year, only cost me £80 and no points

<spends £15 on posh wine>

 

[Pingu]

About 5000. Do I qualify to have an opinion?

sorry but you are just under...

I do about 2k a month and have only ever had one ticket. mind you that was quite a biggie and I was lucky the bizzie was also a biker or it could have been a lot worse*




* no kiddies\grannies were in any danger

 

[marty21]

What a bunch of moaners. Just keep to the fucking speed limit, it's easy. Speeding's as bad as drink driving.

have you never driven above 70 on a motorway? be honest

 

[Pingu]

have you never driven above 70 on a motorway? be honest

5k miles year...

mind you if they are all drive at 25 mph then it would feel like a lot more

 

[snadge]

About 5000. Do I qualify to have an opinion?

So you do mostly local driving, well known roads etc.

Unlike a vast proportion of other drivers that drive unfamiliar roads and their "honeytrap" speed cameras on a 100m stretch of non signposted 30mph road or come across unmarked camera vans that are catching people BEFORE the 30mph signs, this corrupt method is well documented BTW, In Wales they made a killing but had to squash approx 50% who contested, take note of that, they binned the ones that contested the fine but kept all the idiots' money that paid up without a whimper.

contest every speed fine and demand the evidence that they are using.

 

[kabbes]

when i rang to renew they asked me if i had any speeding convictions since I last renewed, I said yes, it put me up to 6 points at the time, I asked if it made a diference to the premium, and they said yes, about £30, i guess getting up to 6 points might also have been a factor

Bingo. I never said that 6 points wouldn't affect the premium, only 3 points. It's still commonplace for two convictions to be used as a rating factor.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

have you never driven above 70 on a motorway? be honest

Yes I have. As I said, lapses in concentration.
But I'd never let it happen where there are pedestrians, bikes, schools, houses, narrow lanes etc.

Life's too short and sweet to want to drive fast

 

[kabbes]

I'm really careful about speed and really believe in and try to keep to the speed limits at all times. But I still have an SP50 on my licence. It was a 50mph coned off bit of the motorway (no works going on, mind, which is probably why my attention slipped) and it was a fair cop with me doing about 65mph, IIRC. If you do enough driving on unfamiliar roads then chances are you'll be caught out eventually. I paid mine with no complaints though. I was speeding, after all.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

How many miles do you drive a year?

Should just add; 5000, plus about 500 more on a bicycle and a few hundred on foot. That's when I mostly experince the speeders

 

[berniedicters]

What a bunch of moaners. Just keep to the fucking speed limit, it's easy. Speeding's as bad as drink driving.

I'm impressed. The thread got to page 3 before this happened.

 

[berniedicters]

i got flashed last week, but both me and my passenger are adament i wasn't going over 30. More like low 20s as i go past the camera evry week.
In fact i was close behind another car that was also going under 30.

Do they fuck up often?

Probably more often than we know. I got accused of doing 40, and I was *looking* at the speedo at the point that my partner saw the van: it was reading 33. When I subsequently got a satellite-based speedo, it demonstrated that an indicated 33 was a shade under 30 in reality.

Fortunately, I was wise enough not to dispute the allegation on the basis of this - many people have tried and failed. Despite the fact that various tests have been done to show that it is only too easy to get erroneous readings (this was the LTi 20/20 system). The trouble is that they daren't find out they're not as accurate as they insist they are, because absolutely millions of convictions would be unsafe as a result.

Same goes for GATSO - though more often this is operator error - they see a pic off the GATSO camera and promptly nick all the vehicles in it without checking the second pic to make sure they're all doing more than the limit.

So, Mister Andrew Hertford, you've got a few examples already of situations where just rolling over and "not moaning" (as you put it), would have resulted in injustice. Care to continue to press your point?

 

[marty21]

Yes I have. As I said, lapses in concentration.

you're worse than a drunk driver

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Yes I would: Of course if the readings are wrong then of course they must be challenged, but in my experience most people try to get out of paying because they won't take responsibility for their own actions, or they just don't want to pay.

 

[T & P]

Yes I have. As I said, lapses in concentration.

Does this mean, by your own reckoning, that you are as bad as a drunk driver then?

Incidentally the OP said he was caught speeding in a 40mph area. No pedestrians there (no urban area at any rate), so clearly no difference between him and you.