Speeding and general dangerous driving in and around Brixton

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Aug 30, 2017.

  1. beesonthewhatnow

    beesonthewhatnow going deaf for a living

    Reduce the limit for a ban to 6 points, make said ban permanent with no prospect of a retest. Speeding problem solved for the vast majority of cases.
     
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  2. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery Pretty comfortable here right under your skin

    Wilful speeding is no different from drink driving to me and people breaking either law should a receive a kick in the balls of equal strength; but, unfortunately, wilful speeding is more socially acceptable.
     
  3. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Well, I don't see any way of it being made socially unacceptable without apportioning blame.
     
  4. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery Pretty comfortable here right under your skin

    Then we must fight through the "us and them" dramas of U75 until it's resolved :thumbs:
     
  5. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    To be honest actually enforcing the ban at 12 points would probably work too.

    Eg Thousands drive with 12 or more points

    How has someone got 51 points and is still on the road ?

    Alex
     
  6. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    There's any number of things that could be done. Stricter points systems. Speed cameras. Speed recorders or limiters in cars. 20mph made the default limit in built up areas nationwide. Plus all the broader transport and planning policy stuff.

    But such things are seen as infringements on the freedom of the motorist. I'm completely serious when I point out the parallels with the guns debate in the US.
     
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  7. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    Cars that cruise at over 60mph and have top speeds well over 100, being sold to people who live in places they can never legally go over 40, like most of most UK cities.

    Fucking absurd.
     
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  8. sparkybird

    sparkybird ask the bird...

    Once driverless vehicles are in use, this type of behaviour won't in theory be possible
     
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  9. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Unfortunately I think it's going to be a long, long time before people can be persuaded that driverless technology means that we can remove human drivers from the roads. However good the driverless technology is. I reckon things will only change once you have a generation that doesn't need to get driving licences grow up. Would be very pleased to be proved wrong though.
     
  10. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    I think the solution is to put barriers along the edge of the footpaths, and designated, traffic light controlled crossing areas for pedestrians, and any pedestrian caught crossing a road anywhere but a designated crossing point should have their legs amputated.
     
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  11. beesonthewhatnow

    beesonthewhatnow going deaf for a living

    Or, a slightly better idea, fuck that.
     
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  12. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    But imagine how many lives would be saved every year if pedestrians weren't allowed to run into the road in front of cars!
     
  13. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    Till about 10 years ago Brixton had barriers between road and pavement all over the place.

    There's probably a good reason they were removed but I can't say I know what it is.

    Also don't know what effect their removal had on accident stats; don't really care either, imo its up to drivers to avoid pedestrians and not the other way around.
     
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  14. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    They were removed to make it easier for crazed religious people to plough vans into pedestrians.
    And you're wrong.
     
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  15. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    Yes, no insurer in their right mind would write a policy where a law breaking computer was a possibility.

    I can see human driver insurance policies rising a lot once even a small percentage of cars are completely autonomous.

    The evidence that all the cameras and sensors on self driving cars will provide will be ridiculously detailed. You make a claim with an autonomous car involved and your insurer will see that in the 6 seconds before hand you were speeding and performing a dangerous manoeuvre ( or whatever ) unless you are whiter than white your insurer will refuse to insure you.

    “Yes mr Jones we will continue to insure you, your policy will now cost 28k per year”

    Alex
     
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  16. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    In my world, faster-moving things are supposed to avoid slower moving things (or slow right down to mix in with the slower-moving things). The opposite is dangerous and confusing.
     
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  17. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    In my world, people should accept responsibility for their own well-being. Transferring that responsibility onto someone who has no control over your actions is dangerous and confusing.
     
  18. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    So no doctors or nurses or health and safety laws in your world then. Good luck! (You'll need it..)
     
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  19. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    They were removed as part of a general re-design to make it more pedestrian friendly and I think it was the right move.
     
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  20. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Ignore them, they are just here on a wind-up.
     
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  21. beesonthewhatnow

    beesonthewhatnow going deaf for a living

    They certainly have similarities.
     
  22. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    Do you extend that same logic to people walking on train tracks?

    You're the one on a wind-up. If you're not, then the hand-wringing you're doing about car drivers is scary.
     
  23. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    Has all of this bad driving & bad pedestrianing gotten worse in recent years ? I wouldn’t know about the cars but seems as if general self-absorbed fuckwittery in public space has definitely increased, people oblivious to others around them and just thinking only about themselves / their phones. Or does this belong in the 'things that make you realise you're old' thread.
     
  24. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    People walking around with their heads buried in their phones. These are the people who walk out in front of cars and blame the driver when they get hit. This thread seems to be teaming with those people :D
     
  25. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Haven't looked at this thread for a few days.

    See the motorist lobby have been posting up in last few days.

    Confirms what I have said previously. There isn't a middle of the ground compromise between car drivers lobby and pedestrians/ cyclists.
     
  26. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I listened to program recently on this. Driverless vehicles in cities are some time in future. On motorways it will come sooner. Driverless vehicles are being tested. Ur right in built up areas they will have to work on basis that pedestrians share road space.
     
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  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    On cycling and potholes.

    I spend my time cycling in West end and City. I concentrate first on pedestrians. Also keep aware of cars around me.

    Its not always possible to see potholes until nearly on top of them.
     
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  28. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Just go away you troll.
     
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  29. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    Amazingly, it turns out trains go more slowly through stations for the same reason as 20mph zones exist on roads, ie proximity of moving vehicles to unarmoured bystanders. And like car drivers, train drivers are able to slow and stop if they see someone or something on the tracks ahead. Whodathunkit etc.

    I would add that railways are normally fenced off and signposted with stuff like, Danger No Trespassing on the Railway .. which may give a broad idea as to whether they're suitable places for people to walk. On the other hand last time I checked, roads weren't separated from sidewalks. This may give the impression that it's perfectly legal to walk on roads.

    Whodathunkit etc x2
     
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  30. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I cycle on a daily basis. Yes people on phones walk straight off pavement in front of me. I have to concentrate more. I just deal with it.
     

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