There's a number of different forces in Catalonia..... Mossos d'esquadra, Policia Nacional, Policia Local, Guardia Urbana, Guardia Civil (although they mainly do border and large scale crime).What's the story with the police in Catalonia . In 2017 I recall the Mossos being sympathetic to voters, and senior cops even at risk of being sacked / jailed. They to be beating the shit out of protestors now.
I asked on a video in /r/catalonia (catalan english speaking sub on reddit) and got the following responseAnd yes it's clear from the press it's the Mossos beating people
Nacional and Mossos wear similar colour uniform, where as Civil wear green. There's also videos close up on a bus, and the clothing they're wearing does say Policia Nacional also.This looks like Policia National. In general, mossos desquadra does not use inaprorpoate force, they do sometimes now recently as the leading officers got sacked after 1st october 2017, but not like other police whos habit is to use massive force and injured 1000s of peoples
I only have a surface understanding of the situation but in my view Sanchez now has further problems . Although Podemos lost seats but are are in a postion to demand more but even if there is an agreement doesnt give them the majority. That leaves only the liberal Ciudadanos who took a battering and may well elect a new leader or the potential for a difficult arrangement of some sort with Catalan Republican Left. Some have put Voxs surge down to anti regional independence especially the Catalonia issue.Interesting read. Critical of PSOE leader. Says he called off talks with Podemos that could have seen joint PSOE/ Podemos government. It wasn't Podemos fault.
That leadership in PSOE saw Podemos coalition as upsetting for big business/ Brussels
That Sanchez has been unwilling to go to the left.
Article is sympathetic to Podemos position.
Now Sanchez has to deal with growth of far right VOX success without increasing his share of the vote this time around. He was banking on getting more votes by moving to the centre.
This was written just before the election. Podemos did not do that well. Pushed into fourth place by Vox.
So the article is saying Sanchez miscalculated. He should have made coalition deal with Podemos first time around.
C’s have sounded increasingly fashy/aggressive over Catalunya in particular, no surprise that they should decline and Vox rise in those circumstances- right liberals “mainstream” fashy views and attitudes and the far right offer red meat for already whetted appetites- see also the “Libertarian/Alt Right” turn of much of the FDP in Germany and rise of the AFD.What a stupid cunt he is.
It's not even any solace to see Ciudadanos do badly.
Which bit would you have being listened to? The Podemos voters or Vox? PSOE or PP? The only message from these elections is that Spain is a country that is deeply divided politically. Well that's been true for the past 100 years, and it's not changing. It makes no sense to talk of an electorate as a unity in this way.As someone said: The Spanish electorate has been consulted often but not not listened to once.
Thanks Cathal thats dead informativeCiudadanos isn't some wishy-washy liberal party, calling them the Spanish Libdems is letting them off lightly, they are opportunistic right-wing pricks.
Almost all Ciudadanos voters I knew were exPP voters, who were pissed-off with corruption. Yesterday, they 47 seats, while PP and Vox gained 50 seats since April, almost a direct transfer of votes. The way I read the situation is that some voters have gone back to their natural home in the PP. While the hard-right flags on the balcony exPP voters who flirted with Cs in previous elections for their Spanish Nationalism find the Vox version even more appealing.
What will be interesting is how the PP react. Will they go further to the right to try and recuperate the voters who now vote Vox? Or, will they realise that Cs tried and failed to beat Vox at waving flags and try to occupy the centre-right?
I think the long-term dissatisfaction that wasn't listened to was with the PSOE and the PP being increasingly interchangeable, corrupt, and neo-liberal. Needless to say I was happy with the rise of Podemos and would reluctantly have been with the anti-corruption version of the Cs. Their problem was that across the country they were anything from rebranded PP and every bit as as corrupt, through a cleaned up kind of Christian Democrat right up to rightists ripe for conversion into near-fascists. It all depended on who set up Ciudanos in a given place, and why. Ciudanos hasn't got a coherent 'brand'.Which bit would you have being listened to? The Podemos voters or Vox? PSOE or PP? The only message from these elections is that Spain is a country that is deeply divided politically. Well that's been true for the past 100 years, and it's not changing. It makes no sense to talk of an electorate as a unity in this way.
Its a minority govt though?Socialists and Unidas Podemos strike preliminary deal to form coalition government
So a deal it is. Something they could have done a while back, you'd think.
Just shown this to my Spanish partner and she thought it was funny and spot on.This will only make sense to
Spaniards or those well versed with Franco-era Spanish history, so apologies to all others, but it has made laugh no end...