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No it isn't. Franco wasn't a fan of democracy and certainly not a fan of communists and socialsists- both of which were legal political parties in Spain within a couple of years of the cunt's death. All of this was facilitated by Juan Carlos.


So why all the years of acompanying Franco? Juan Carlos just like all the other associates at the end of Francos regime knew once Franco died what the the tide was turning. Nothing more than a changing of direction in order to survive. Im sure had the regime being strong enough to survive after franco and was the most viable option Juan Carlos would have continued down that road

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So why all the years of acompanying Franco? Juan Carlos just like all the other associates at the end of Francos regime knew once Franco died what the the tide was turning. Nothing more than a changing of direction in order to survive. Im sure had the regime being strong enough to survive after franco and was the most viable option Juan Carlos would have continued down that road

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The country and people were suffering. I'm sure Juan was to some extent playing Franco's game as he feared his power/retribution. It would not have been clever to attempt maintain the regime.
 
Argentinians anyone?




Beijing Olympics: Now Argentina's footballers photographed making 'slit-eyed' gesture

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Argentina's women lost all their matches at the Beijing Olympics.


The photo was published - without provoking controversy - in the Argentine sports newspaper Ole on Aug 5, to accompany a preview of the team’s first match of the tournament against Canada.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2581173/Beijing-Olympics-Now-Argentinas-footballers-photographed-making-slit-eyed-gesture.html


Fuck sake!

:rolleyes:


Woof
 
South Africa are going to get the world cup soon I think. Will it be the black and white minstrel show or throwing bananas into the crowd? Glad that I don't live in Spain.
 
The country and people were suffering. I'm sure Juan was to some extent playing Franco's game as he feared his power/retribution. It would not have been clever to attempt maintain the regime.

Exactly during francos time he seemed to have no problems being a complice with the regime. he didn't need to get involved he could have long lived in exile in Portugal. All Juan carlos did was know which the the tide was turning in order to survive and carve out a living from himself or as the say in Spain 'cambiar la chaqueta'.
 
So why all the years of acompanying Franco? Juan Carlos just like all the other associates at the end of Francos regime knew once Franco died what the the tide was turning. Nothing more than a changing of direction in order to survive. Im sure had the regime being strong enough to survive after franco and was the most viable option Juan Carlos would have continued down that road

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It's not the thread for it really, but basically everything was set up for Juan Carlos to continue the dictatorship as head of State and armed forces. He had the full support of the army, and it was only on his own wishes that the democratic process was initiated. He certainly was not encouraged or even supported by the establishment and armed forces to kick start democracy.

Indeed, during the 1981 attempted coup d'etat, all the army generals said they'd go with whatever Juan Carlos decided (i.e., if he supported the coup the army would not attempt to defend the constitutional democracy and would support the coup instead).
 
It's not the thread for it really, but basically everything was set up for Juan Carlos to continue the dictatorship as head of State and armed forces. He had the full support of the army, and it was only on his own wishes that the democratic process was initiated. He certainly was not encouraged or even supported by the establishment and armed forces to kick start democracy.

Indeed, during the 1981 attempted coup d'etat, all the army generals said they'd go with whatever Juan Carlos decided (i.e., if he supported the coup the army would not attempt to defend the constitutional democracy and would support the coup instead).

He made the right decision though, even with the backing of the army etc...Spain could not have kept the regime up for long. There was growing dissent from the population, more and more support for rebel-movements... Europe was leaving them behind etc..
 
He made the right decision though, even with the backing of the army etc...Spain could not have kept the regime up for long. There was growing dissent from the population, more and more support for rebel-movements... Europe was leaving them behind etc..
Of course he did... The point I was trying to make is that I don't think Juan Carlos is or was a fascist by nature. He did have the option, backed by the army and everyone with power, to continue the status quo. Yet he chose to allow the transition to democracy to take place, which to me does not look like the easy option.

Quite why we're discussing Spanish Transition politics in the Olympics forum is beyond me though :D
 
Quite why we're discussing Spanish Transition politics in the Olympics forum is beyond me though :D
:DWell in this case, for me there is a clear connection between seeming ignorance/knowledge of international etiquette/cultural awareness and a countries climb up from a fascist regime.
 
No it isn't. Franco wasn't a fan of democracy and certainly not a fan of communists and socialsists- both of which were legal political parties in Spain within a couple of years of the cunt's death. All of this was facilitated by Juan Carlos.

There's more to the story than meets the eye. I remember reading about it some time ago. Unfortunately I don't have any of the information to hand, but due to increasing pressure from below a decision to continue the dictatorship would have been a bad idea. The best way to defuse the social tension was to transition to a parliamentary democracy, repressing any threatening popular movements in the process.
 
There's more to the story than meets the eye. I remember reading about it some time ago. Unfortunately I don't have any of the information to hand, but due to increasing pressure from below a decision to continue the dictatorship would have been a bad idea. The best way to defuse the social tension was to transition to a parliamentary democracy, repressing any threatening popular movements in the process.

Is that the point? Politicians don´t always act in their own interests. Quite often they don´t, think of Mugabe: wouldn´t it be much better for him to leave the country and enjoy the rest of his live spending all the money he has (without doubt) already stolen from his country?

Maybe Juan Carlos was just an opportunistic dick who wanted to avoid ending up hanging upside down from a traffic light in Madrid. Or maybe he realized there´s nothing he could do as long as Franco is alive so he played his game until he died and make a bold move then. Who will ever know?

The point is: given the circumstances, you´d expect a politician in his situation to do exactly what Franco expected him to do: hold on to his power.

Instead, he handed it over. That was risky, too. The clergy didn´t like that, the royalists didn´t like it and the military certainly didn´t like it, too. All these people had a lot to lose, so he may have thought whatever he does, he could end up hanging upside down from a traffic light in Madrid either way.

By doing what he did, Spain was turned into a constitutional monarchy with all the power handed over to an elected parliament. A parliament with a leftist majority!

What would have been the possible consequences if he followed the road Franco paved so nicely for him? At least a catalan ETA, possibly a separation war in Catalunya, maybe even a new civil war.
 
What would have been the possible consequences if he followed the road Franco paved so nicely for him? At least a catalan ETA, possibly a separation war in Catalunya, maybe even a new civil war.

Exactly what he chose to avoid IMO regardless of the reasons, he made a good decision.
 
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