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Spain's eye-catching faux pas

T & P said:
The satirical mag El Jueves was earlier this year seized by the police and two of its editors charged with defaming the Royal Family because of this front page

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(It has the Prince saying 'if I get you pregnant and we get the €2,500 given by the government for every child concieved, it would be the first time I've earned money through work!).

The magazine was off the stands for a couple of weeks and at the end the editors were fined. But they could have been jailed in theory, though in practice that was very unlikely to happen.
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Thanks for the translation, although I can read the Spanish dialogue.;)

That's an interesting story though as I stand by the fact the TMEO or maybe it was el jueves had a front cover which I described earlier. they are read all over the peninsula as well. Perhaps in the one above 'el jueves' went a step too far. The editors could have gone to jail but didn't...therefore it wasn't treason IYSWIM. They have probably sold more copies as a result of this event also.

Can you imagine an English publication going that far? Maybe i'm not buying the right magazines/publications.
 
In my experience the press is more respectful in Spain for the most part (though as the above comic shows, not always). I've seen Paul Merton on HIGNFY joking about the Queen giving blowjobs to the homeless or Prince Philip being a murderer. I haven't lived in Spain for years but I doubt that'd be broadcast, even in a satirical quiz programme.
 
I recall TV shows like TOMATE, known for embarrassing and sending up the rich and famous, ridiculing the Spanish royals as well. Could be wrong I suppose, but I don't think so.
 
Rutita1 said:
Although Klaus, you yourself admitted that the ad made you feel awkward, that to me says you didn't read it as perfect and plastic. On some level you knew it wasn't right, regardless of the intention. :)
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Yes of course I found it awkward, because it´s indeed different in the way that it´s not "happy plastic world", because it obviously tries to be funny but is in fact plain non-funny and because I know the Chinese humor is pretty much different from ours so they may not find it funny at all.

I have worked in a reception for four years and dealt with many, many Chinese guests. Yet I do not know very much about the Chinese. I know they are different from "us" (I´m sure I can say that without causing offense?). I don´t know what sort of things they laugh about, so I never tried to make jokes. I smiled and tried to be polite and look professional - they obviously liked that.

So! I have not much of an idea how exactly people from China think, I know there are pretty big differences. I know under which circumstances I can call a New Zealander a "sheep shagger" without getting my jaw broken. I wouldn´t try to do something similar with someone from China. Hence, I found the ad awkward.

Of course, I would not have made an ad like that. Not because I would have been 100% certain it´s offensive but because I would not have been 100% certain it´s inoffensive. Besides that, it´s silly and non-funny.

Again, thank you all for submitting your opinions. I know more now.
 
Rutita1 said:
What?
In Spain I've seen a popular adult comic with a cartoon of the prince's wife snorting speed on it.

I can't remember the last time a publication in the UK ridiculed our royal family in that way. :confused:
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Let´s ignore adult comics and satire magazines. Making gross jokes for which they get sued is their way of marketing - that´s the same in every country.

I think Spaniards are gernerally pretty conservative and catholic. Fond of traditions, and their royals are part of it, so they respect them. Besides that, Juan Carlos is an extremely respectable person, too. He managed Spain´s transition to a liberal democracy very well - that´s even more remarkable as Franco obviously thought he would continoe to run the country in his authoritarian manner.

In contrast to that, the British Royals are a disgrace. If that offends anyone here - I don´t care. Repeat: disgrace. They have earned their bad reputation pretty well. There is little respect for them and that´s why every trashy paper finds it absolutely OK to publish every small bit of their pathetic private lives.
I seriously wonder how they maintain their poker faces. I couldn´t stand it. I would quit the job, ask for a new identity, say good bye and thanks for the fish and move to South Georgia island to sell postage stamps to tourists (I guess that´s an adequate job for someone not used to work very hard).
 
Get rid of your Monarchy! How old-fashioned is that? The "United Republic" - UR!

You were the first ones in Europe with a parliament, our Avant-Garde! Re-invent democracy! Get the citizens involved in their politics (again) in a meaningful way!

"You are UR" - wouldn´t that be a slogan to get that off the ground? :)
 
cathal marcs said:
Well a bunch of Catalan nationalists were jailed for burning burning photos of the king recently.
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It is terrible that people get into trouble for a protest against the monarchy. The law should be changed.

I don't think the two young men who were convicted went to prison, though. The report I saw said the sentence was 15 months in prison, but fines of 2,700 euros could be substituted. AFAIK, they've opted for the fine. (Mind you, that's a hefty fine for anyone who's not rich.)
 
santa klaus said:
Let´s ignore adult comics and satire magazines. Making gross jokes for which they get sued is their way of marketing - that´s the same in every country.

I think Spaniards are gernerally pretty conservative and catholic. Fond of traditions, and their royals are part of it, so they respect them. Besides that, Juan Carlos is an extremely respectable person, too. He managed Spain´s transition to a liberal democracy very well - that´s even more remarkable as Franco obviously thought he would continoe to run the country in his authoritarian manner.

In contrast to that, the British Royals are a disgrace. If that offends anyone here - I don´t care. Repeat: disgrace. They have earned their bad reputation pretty well. There is little respect for them and that´s why every trashy paper finds it absolutely OK to publish every small bit of their pathetic private lives.
I seriously wonder how they maintain their poker faces. I couldn´t stand it. I would quit the job, ask for a new identity, say good bye and thanks for the fish and move to South Georgia island to sell postage stamps to tourists (I guess that´s an adequate job for someone not used to work very hard).
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I found this post quite funny Klaus. I am definitely not offended by it.

Funny though, that we have moved from the Spanish basketball team's ignorance/ Spain's racism, to the disgrace that is Britain's royal family.

It's like 'yeah, yeah Spain is conservative, ignorant and offensive/racist but at least they respect the Spanish royal family more than Britain respects theirs because it's obvious you can't respect them, they are a disgrace!':D

However, stamp sellers in South Georgia may not like the way you speak about them.:hmm:
 
Don´t worry about the South Georgia stamp sellers. I haven´t been there (would love to go though), but I have travelled Patagonia for two months and allow myself to draw conclusions.

Patagonians appreciate their slow lives a lot. When I went there my Spanish was still quite bad but once somebody told me I´m talking too fast, like "dude, calm down, this is fin del mundo here, no stress please". Put those people to London, they would go mental in less than a day.

I met a girl in south Chile, she made a living with one hour work per day. Her job was to take pictures of cars for an insurance company so they have proof how the car (or sometimes the house) looked like before the damage was done. She told me she´d never move to Santiago - too many cars!

So - I think people who live in extremely remote places like South Georgia have moved there for a reason. Those who grew up there and haven´t left obviously appreciate the "fin del mundo" lifestyle, too.

Maybe "not used to hard work" is unfair in some cases but if they really work hard it´s their own choice and not the rat race we sometimes have to cope with.
 
JHE said:
It is terrible that people get into trouble for a protest against the monarchy. The law should be changed.
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No, the constitution should be changed! Why have a king in the first place?

Giving somebody the job as head of state... just because his/her parents had it, too? :confused:
 
santa klaus said:
Besides that, Juan Carlos is an extremely respectable person, too. He managed Spain´s transition to a liberal democracy very well - that´s even more remarkable as Franco obviously thought he would continoe to run the country in his authoritarian manner.
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This is a myth.
 
santa klaus said:
Of course, I would not have made an ad like that. Not because I would have been 100% certain it´s offensive but because I would not have been 100% certain it´s inoffensive. Besides that, it´s silly and non-funny.

Again, thank you all for submitting your opinions. I know more now.
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Just to reiterate.

I think denoting the advert as "silly and non-funny", merely serves to mitigate just how racist and offensive it actually is and is, therefore, unhelpful.


Woof
 
And it's not the first time the Spanish have done this either......


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A second group of Spanish Olympic athletes has been photographed making “slit-eyed” gestures, threatening to overshadow the Beijing Games with a row over racial stereotyping.

The latest photo to emerge shows Spanish women tennis players pulling the pose, apparently in anticipation of their Federation Cup match against China in April.

The photo is still visible on the official website of the Spanish Tennis Federation, where it was spotted. The original is captioned “Estamos preparados para China”, which translates as “We are prepared for China”.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2559578/Beijing-Olympics-Second-Spanish-team-photographed-making-slit-eyed-gesture.html


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Ho Ho Ho!

:rolleyes:


Woof
 
santa klaus said:
Why do you think this is "mocking"? Having slitty eyes is not a physical challenge. I am quite sure they did not intend any "mocking". Did any Asians take offense?
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I'm chinese and I find it quite offensive. It's sort of thing that school children used to do in the playground whilst chanting along the "Chinese Japanese what are these dirty knees".
 
888 said:
This is a myth.
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No it isn't. Franco wasn't a fan of democracy and certainly not a fan of communists and socialsists- both of which were legal political parties in Spain within a couple of years of the cunt's death. All of this was facilitated by Juan Carlos.
 
butterfly child said:
From that article:

"Much of the criticism of the Spanish teams has come from the English-speaking blogosphere, prompting some complaints from Spain about alleged Anglo-Saxon hostility to Madrid’s 2016 Olympic bid."

Cheeky fucking fuckers!
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^^^^^^Nothing like attacking the motives of those who call you on stuff in an attempt to completely side-step the point.
 
twisted said:
By the way, any more Spanish druggies caught???

See, we can throw it back at them.
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Here's the rub though, I don't want to throw it back at them...I just wish they'd grow up and develop some self awareness. Spain is doing really well right now, they are on their way up in Europe and the country is recovering from Franco's subjugation. It's a damn shame though that they are arriving to their debutante coming out ball on the world stage and showing some of them are no more than toodlers.
 
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