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Spain vs Holland, World Cup Final !!!

Discussion in 'World Cup 2010 South Africa' started by Dandred, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. stupid dogbot

    stupid dogbot Haughty and Superior

    Yeah, in fairness, you're an Arsenal fan...
     
  2. Diamond

    Diamond The Red Baron

    The funny thing about your mentality is that it guarantees unhappiness. Any team that wins the final is by definition not worth supporting.
     
  3. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

  4. Diamond

    Diamond The Red Baron

    Because you're a contrarian.
     
  5. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Reading fanzines?

    What a ponce. :(


    :confused:
     
  6. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    I'd have loved a dutch win. Your post says attacking football cannot win the world cup history says different. Who is the contrarian?
     
  7. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    There have always been m/c fanzines. WSC being king of the hill. The hectoring tone of the english teacher telling the kids they're doing it all wrong.
     
  8. Diamond

    Diamond The Red Baron

    First part, I agree. Second part, I don't see. Third part, sometimes but not as a guiding principle.
     
  9. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    If you don't agree with the 2nd part then your case ('it guarantees unhappiness') against me falls.
     
  10. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    I don't know WSC. Only one I've read regularly was Brian Moore's Head...

    Categorising fanzines by class is a bit pathetic, though.
     
  11. Diamond

    Diamond The Red Baron

    The point isn't really about whether the football is attacking or not.

    The point goes to whether you back a loser or a winner.

    The impression I get is that you prefer to back losers.
     
  12. two sheds

    two sheds not as daft as i look

  13. Diamond

    Diamond The Red Baron

    They have a whole separate catalogue of them at the British Library. Not a bad way to while away a few hours.
     
  14. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Why? They lined themselves up that way. And i'm not catergorising them, i'm characterising one - and a certain hectoring belligerent cerebral tone.
     
  15. TrippyLondoner

    TrippyLondoner Well-Known Member

  16. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Well then you might want to think about making your argument a bit clearer. You're still wrong (but what a body of evidence you've amassed).
     
  17. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Nope. You said 'there have always been m/c fanzines.

    TBH I thought using 'middle class' as a term of abuse would be beneath you.
     
  18. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    There have always been m/c fanzines as characterised by that hectoring belligerent cerebral tone - that doesn't mean that i primarily catergorise them all by that. If noticing something means categorising something (which apparently is bad now, no idea why) then i suppose i'm guilty.

    I don't know why you'd think such a thing.
     
  19. Diamond

    Diamond The Red Baron

    TBF - fanzines have always been mostly m/c.

    That was sort of their Raison d'ĂȘtre.
     
  20. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Fanzines aren't any class. They're just fanzines.

    That's just anti-intellectual bollocks. You've read a few books, that must make you middle class. What a load of spirit-sapping crap.
     
  21. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    I totally disagree. The sort that you studied and were catalogued obliviously were. A sort of self-selecting process.

    What do you man that this was always their point?
     
  22. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    No one has said any such thing, don't you dare wag your finger at anyone on that lazy lazy basis. I thought better of you.
     
  23. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    You said 'middle class' as a form of abuse, criticising a certain intellectuality.
     
  24. Diamond

    Diamond The Red Baron

    The ones that I studied were a direct reaction to the Thatcherite demonisation of football fans in the wake of Heysel and, perversely, Bradford.

    Consequently their principle purpose was to challenge the dominant representation of football fans. In the most part this was characterised by values and ideas that would be recognised today as being part of a m/c fandom milieu.
     
  25. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    So what?
     
  26. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Well, I can only really speak for Brian Moore's Head, whose main purpose was to make jokes about how crap Gillingham are and to have a go at the incompetent board.

    I would suspect it is typical, though. Fanzines and small press stuff in general are not well analysed by giving them classes.
     
  27. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    The key is in the first line. What about the ones you didn't study?: The one-offs? The ones not colelcted in the states libraries?

    I see, you can recognise values and ideas that would be recognised today as being ... m/c . When i do it's simple abuse. What are these m/c characteristics then?

    It's happening even here.
     
  28. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    I think Diamond saying it is bollocks too, fwiw.
     
  29. Diamond

    Diamond The Red Baron

    The one-offs?

    Certainly I concentrated on only a few in the end but in the beginning I read many fanzines that were ephemeral and existed only for one or two issues.

    But here's the thing, and I doubt you'll like it. The only reason that those fanzines failed was because of the market and the only reason that others succeeded was because of the market.

    The market pruned them ruthlessly until the survivors were left. And those represented the majority view.
     
  30. Diamond

    Diamond The Red Baron

    As to the m/c stuff.

    I recognise what you would perceive to be those characteristics without subscribing to your point of view
     

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