Discussion in 'Euro2008 (archive)' started by Rollem, Jun 24, 2008.
no, i mean what a load of tosh
That's crazy talk.
Villa and Senna have to play. If you're going to bring Cesc in then boot Xavi to the sidelines.
i'd like to see Russia in the final, they've played the best football along with Turkey and Netherlands. Fast tempo, quick passing, good movement, flair.
Spain would like to do this but so far have failed.
and go nowhere. boring
We're playing in gold/yellow and therefore screwed.
you obviously didn't see the previous spain / russia match. they got nine from nine in the group and what do you expect in a match against italy?
I do think that the russians would have more chance of beating the germans if they made the final...
Spain to win 3-2 in another cracking game.
want spain to win cos g/f has them in the pub sweep but have a sneaking feeling for russia and hiddink. um, 2-2 full time, with the russkis nicking a couple more in extra time to seal the win.
Russians seem fearless right now.
Much as I was pleased that Germany beat Portugal, I don't want them to win it. It has to be either of these two. And I think Russia would be less likley to crumble.
I can just seen Spain making the final and crumbling. Russia wouldn't.
that said , didnt everyone expect them to crumble when it went to penalties against italy?
Torres to score first half, Russia to equalise and Villa to settle it second half. 2-1 Spain.
Come on Russia!
Been having a bit more of a think about this and I reckon I was largely wrong in my last post.
Senna's on a yellow, right, so that means if he gets a yellow for this game then he's out of the final which would be very bad news for Spain. So it makes sense for Alonso to start instead. As for Cesc being a second striker, I don't see the sense in that at all.
I think Russia are a much bigger test than Germany, and it would be madness to leave out Senna because he is on a yellow - better to risk him and lose him for the final if necessary. He was Spain's best player in the quarter final, and Russia could tear through Spain if Senna isn't there.
It's a quandary, isn't it?
One thing worth pointing out is that Holland, as good as they were going forward, only faced one team that had a genuinely dangerous attacking force, Russia. And when they faced them they had Andre Ooijer and Mathijsen in defence. That's hardly a rock solid pairing at the back and unsurprsingly they couldn't cope with Arshavin and Pavlyuchenko.
The question is whether Spain's back line are good enough to deal with them. From my point of view the only complete package at the back for them is the remarkable Sergio Ramos. Should be a great battle to see him try and deal with Zhirkov (assuming Zhirkov isn't sent into the back two to replace Kolodin). But Puyol's positioning is sometimes iffy and will be exploited by Arshavin. Capdevilla looks average at best on the left and Marchena doesn't look much better either.
Spain's defence may not hold up so they must attack more meaningfully and more directly than they have done in the past. That is surely a good argument for bringing Cesc in for Xavi or Iniesta.
Puyol's positioning is iffy but he battles harder than any other player in teh Spanish team. Ramos is a lot better going forwards than defending. Capdevilla is shocking. Marchena, yeah, not really all that. But Casillas has experience of keeping teams in games and that is going to count again.
Wasn't there some ancient left-back that Aragones found under a rock or something? Good dead ball specialist and considerably better than Capdevilla.
yeah, formerly of getafe then moved to atleti, can-t remember his name but he was bald.
i had pierna in my head but that would have been ridiculous, it's pernia
Don't mind who wins this match because both teams will have imo just as good a chance as Germany to win the tournament. Hopefully it'll be a quality match tonight!
Which makes me wonder how an England back line would deal with Russia? Or Spain for that matter? If England had made the Euros, I bet they'd be knocked out by now... but only because England are lacking a goal scoring formula at the front.
Anyway, back on topic... I want Spain to win... surely the Russians aren't capable of beating everyone???
The quality of ITV's coverage is offensive.
Bit disapponting so far. Needs a goal, etc.
Ask and ye shall receive. Viva Espana!!!!
Ramos is fucking tidy isn't he
Xavi bless your heart
Spain playing brilliant football atm, this is why they're one of my favoured teams in this tournament.
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