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TP Part II: "Israel destroying whole neighbourhoods in Lebanon.":TP, the first pic you have is simply showing 3 city lots with debris, as it would be with a single well placed shell, if buildings were next to one another. Your second is merely a stock satellite pic and shows nothing! It does not show a destroyed anything! I do not wish to insult you but you obviosuly do not know how to read the picture. Do you not imagine that if Israel had done even half of what you say, that it would be in the Hague right now?

International Law fully permits the targetting of a military objective. Hezbollah Compounds constitute such an objective. Ergo, your 3 lots.
 
TP Part II: "Israel destroying whole neighbourhoods in Lebanon.":TP, the first pic you have is simply showing 3 city lots with debris, as it would be with a single well placed shell, if buildings were next to one another. Your second is merely a stock satellite pic and shows nothing! It does not show a destroyed anything! I do not wish to insult you but you obviosuly do not know how to read the picture.
Oh dear dear dear dear dear... :D

What do you think the image is doing in the Wikipedia article then, if not related to the indiscriminate bombing by Israel of that neighbourhood?

You've reached the comical.
 
Do you not imagine that if Israel had done even half of what you say, that it would be in the Hague right now?

International Law fully permits the targetting of a military objective. Hezbollah Compounds constitute such an objective. Ergo, your 3 lots.

Not really seeing as IIRC it isn't even a signatory to the ICC, and previous war crimes tribunals over there have frequently been little more than political kangaroo courts
 
TP:I do not know how I will break this to you...Are you sitting down? Grab a cool drink, relax, ease your head back...Now I will tell you: WIKIPEDIA IS ENTIRELY COMPOSED OF CONSUMER GENERATED ENTRIES. UNTIL LAST YEAR IT HAD ABSOLUTELY NO EDITORIAL POLICY WHATSOEVER.

Then you might ALSO wish to know that I myself have several entries on the site. Ergo, if you are not willing to take whatever I say at face value, you should vcertainly not be using Wiki as a definiative source.

The picture and the entry mean nothing. What city do you know where 3 small lots constitute an entire "neighbourhood?"
 
Frog: What are you trying to say? What do "ICC" and "IIRC" mean? Are you intending to say "ICJ?" I am not following what you are saying.

Who is not a signatory to what?
 
TP:I do not know how I will break this to you...Are you sitting down? Grab a cool drink, relax, ease your head back...Now I will tell you: WIKIPEDIA IS ENTIRELY COMPOSED OF CONSUMER GENERATED ENTRIES. UNTIL LAST YEAR IT HAD ABSOLUTELY NO EDITORIAL POLICY WHATSOEVER.

Then you might ALSO wish to know that I myself have several entries on the site. Ergo, if you are not willing to take whatever I say at face value, you should vcertainly not be using Wiki as a definiative source.

The picture and the entry mean nothing. What city do you know where 3 small lots constitute an entire "neighbourhood?"
Brilliant! I knew that was coming. First ignore the evidence for as long as possible, then claim it's not related to the incident, and when shown otherwise claim the picture is doctored.

The term 'pathetic' doesn't even being to describe it :D
 
TP" TP knew it was coming...": So, my statements about Wikipedia were NOT accurate? You admonish but offer nothing of substance. Do not be coy, make your point. Is Wikipedia NOT "consumer driven?" Did it NOT just institute an editorial policy? Is it still NOT possible for anyone at all to change its content on any whim?

"Picture is doctored.": Actually, there were a rash of doctored pictures in that war, mostly distributed by Reuters courtsey of an Arab with a penchant for Photoshop (Adobe). However, that being as it may, I did not say your picture of 3 lots was doctored. It is simply NOT a nighbourhood. If you are going to take issue with my comments, at least be mature enough to state your facts.

Frog: ICJ (International Court of Justice).
 
One of the doctored photographs, before and after manipulation (smoke added and darkened):

Adnan_Hajj_Beirut_photo_comparison.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Hajj_photographs_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War_photographs_controversies

The ruined buildings are a constant though, and certainly not restricted to Wikipedia. Whilst they might not constitute an entire neighbourhood, there's clearly significant damage to the civilian infrastructure, reflected in high civilian casualties (UNICEF estimates that around 30% of the dead were children under 13).
 
Hi: First, when it is an established fact that several widely circulated pics were doctored, everything else then becomes cuspect. UN data is meaningless. If you have the patience and the inclination I could provide you with UN date for several incidents, from several UN sources, none of which mesh even remotely.

UN data ALWAYS requires corroboration. A great part of the problem is the amployment of sectarian organisations and/or individuals in data collection and vetting.

Did children die? Yes, both there AND in Israel. Did more die in Lebanon? ABSOLUTELY and that is a igven when one understands the nature of Assymetrical Warfare. I am a father myself, I do not dismiss such things out of hand. Yet I also have close experience in conflict in general and this one in particular. There is a great reason why Nasrallah chooses to ensconce himself and his hierarchy in the city of Beirurt. It is Win-Win for them.

Should we strike, and that we will strike is always understood, we WILL incurr more tham moderate Collateral Damage. This in turn widens Hezbollah's recruiting poll more than anything else. We are much more numerous, much better trained, and better equipped than they could ever be and so it will never be a victory ofr them along conventional means. Only be adding that human elememnt, the one we try and negate, can Hezbollah gain the upper hand.


A group illegal by US,UN, and Lebanese LAws is operating withimpunity right under the noses of the impotent UNIFIL Force and noone says a word. A ridiculous Report is issued 3 weeks ago claiming that the only armed incidence in all of S. Lebanon was a single man with a single hinting rifle obviously hunting. Hunting what? Dogs? Then less thasn weel later Hezbollah shoots down a Lebanese Military gunship!


This is the world Israel lives in. Were it to actually destroy entire neighbourhoods then PERHAPS it could begin to make porogress in this war againstIslamo-Fascism but this is not a political or legal responsibility.

On "Civilian Infrastructure" as a separate subject, War 101 , plain and simple. Beofre commiting to an incursion you have to do your utmost to remove every single piece, every last shred of said infrastructure before sending a single troop over the line. People outside of the military world do not understand that. Why destroy airports? Airports allow planes. Planes allow vital non-humanitarian supplies , most importantly of which would be arms.

Why telecom systems? Yhey are used to move Intel in prime-time and we cannot allow that by any means.

Why hiways and bridges. Two fold reason: I) We do not want the opposition to be able to turn tail, Rule One is to control your theater as much as possible. Bring him to you, not the converse. II) You do not want non-combatants flooding the road as Aerial ops are taking place and our tropps are on the move. Inordinate amounts of non-combatants will suffer if so...


On and on and on. People just do not get it.
 
Spain has alot of dirt it needs to look at before it even begins thinkinfg of criticising other nations in issues not concerning Spanish citizens or property.

by this token wouldn't a brooklinite such as yourself be better off foucsing on the problems in the PJ's rather than attempting to portray yourself as an Isreali living abroad...

you McJew. you Plastic Isreali. You Fabrication of a diseased and deranged mind...
 
So why, when you and I first had a discussion about the ISM leadership, did you posted a link from WIKIPEDIA?

Because, like many Googleistas, he's happy enough to use a link when it supports his argument, but not if it supports yours.

I believe it's called "hypocrisy".
 
Garfield: I was born in Manhattan so if anything you might try being factual at least in that iota and call me a "Mannahanite." In reality, I lived most of my US life in the Bronx so should it be "Bronxite?" Or being that ui went to ISrael for most of every year until my mid-adolescence when I gained my own Israeli citizenship, Naturalised since my dad was born asn bread. I know that causes you greayt consternation, a Jew who actually has many centuries of history on that very land!

But for my father having had to spend 4 years working in the US I would have been a Sabra myself. It makes no differen though since ALL Jews are children of ISrael. The blondest and blue eyed Jew from
PEoria, Illisnois or Nottingham over your way is firmlyrooted in that land and were for thousands of years before the 1str Arab entered history. I know it doubles you over but face facts.


As for protraying myself, whatever that means. I live in Cebu, usually in Mindanao, but have spent the vast majority of my life in Israel where I still jabe hopm,e and 3 kids, 2 of whom are serving. Why does that irk you? Sounds like a bit of a mental issue you need to work through. I am not a psychologist but through my iniversity connections would be happy to refer to you one or another, Let me know by PM if you truly are "sick and tired of being sick and tired." Hope you get well.


It is kind of sad...If I am not a Nazi, I am an Islamo-fascist, or simply a fantasit trying to get people to hate Israel, and so on. Not one poster is able to offer adult like discourse. This speaks very poorly for this site.. I have put up all personal info so I would say to you Garfield, and to all others, put up or shut up.I have even violated at least 3 Israeli Laws by telling you I am and my rank and assigments, let alone letting people know the loose scope of what I do and yet I did it because I truly believe that for folks to understand each other as much as the BS Quitent as humanly possible needs to be erased.

"Fixing PJs?" Why would ?I do that? I am in Cebu genius, no subsidised housing anywhere near here although the Pres DID build a couple o model good for nothing single story homes in iinusable fields out in the bush near my village in Mindanao but that is it.

I keep hoping people will get with the facts and leave their issues by the wayside but so far so little.

Being called "McJew,"Palstic Israeli" and a couple of other things is just ridiculous you really ought to get out more if your parents raise that curfew. You are in some sd shape.
 
Grandma: Have you as tet mastered the differences between PRIMARY and SECON?DARY Sources? WIKI is great for Secondaries, worthless for primaries.

Panda: Seeing as how I myself have authored more than a fiar share of Wiki entires, I have no problem with anyone using them of course. It is just that since it si entirely consumer driven you might as well write a dissertation researched by a shoeshine boy. To each their own Professor.
 
Grandma: Have you as tet mastered the differences between PRIMARY and SECON?DARY Sources? WIKI is great for Secondaries, worthless for primaries.


Says who....you?

From someone who posts very little in the way of links I feel you are the last person on this planet to teach another forum user on what types of links are credible and which aren't.
 
Grandma: "Says who?" Aside from me? A ?WHOLE LOT of people. If you are dealing with a consumer driven content, what makes it "right" and what makes it "wrong?" It is nothing more than OPINION. Its secondary sources are nifty, actual hard sources for consideration.

As I have said a few times, I have several entries on the site. IF you are willing to take WHATEVER I post sight unseen, then you should have no problem doing the same with Wiki. IF you have a problem with my info, even once, then you should be questioning your opinion of Wiki. COMMON SENSE.

You find Wiki credible but my posts uncredible? Now, that IS HYPOCRISY.
 
Grandma: "Says who?" Aside from me? A ?WHOLE LOT of people. If you are dealing with a consumer driven content, what makes it "right" and what makes it "wrong?" It is nothing more than OPINION. Its secondary sources are nifty, actual hard sources for consideration..

Funny how now you have become the expert on how credible Wiki actually is when you posted it as a single and ONLY source in a debate about Rachel Corry and the ISM. My my you have a short memory....:rolleyes:
 
Gradnma: I have ALWAYS said that Wiki is worthless as a PRIMARY source. I have never felt otherwise since I became aware of the site. It has made marked improvements in that it of course now does have an editorial option, but that opens up other cans of worms in that anyone can take any entry and run al over it posting garbage. I used Wiki for a Corrie thread? I would have to see the thread and my posting of the source in order to rtemark on it.


If you care enough to explain what the source consisted of, primary or secondary, and so forth I would love to offer you some answers. Naturally if Wiki is offfering as a secondary, a link to a reputable media source I might use it but even then believe I would try to link directly to the secondary. Anyway, explain it if you choose to.

Nino: Chumsky, my degree is in Botany, sorry to disappoint, actually "Ethno-Botany" since you are my biographer. I gained it from an English language institution but you must know I hate most things English including your language. however, it IS the lingua franca of the moment (feel like screaming at my mum were she alive for making me master horrid French but who could have predicted this little bastard language -actually quite large bastard language).
 
Nino: IF your claim is true, that I "change my educational qualifications with every post," I would imagine you could very easily prove it and make me look like a total dic& head. Anytime you are ready Chumly.
 
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