Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by Manuka, May 8, 2014.
Oh, I'd rather it stay as a spoons!
Yeah, there is a bit of me that is disappointed that Antic have bought the Wetherspoons. I would rather they rejuvenated closed pubs...
Plus, this means we are going to have to have an Urban meet in the William Stanley while we still can!!
If they do well on the High St. Who knows they may think about getting another pub in the area...
If this (Antic)is true it's great news and a chance to really start rebuilding the area and move on all the dross that drink there now. A good pub will bring in better restaurants than the chicken shacks we have now and other shops like Crystal Palace. After seeing a steady decline in South Norwood in the thirty odd years I've lived here the grass roots of recovery are at last being seen such as the regeneration work, the local community support for Stanley Halls and many other examples. I'd love to see a gentrified South Norwood it has the potential with wonderful housing stock and great transport links.
Posts like this make me pleased they chose south Norwood not Thornton heath.
There's only a certain type who wishes for gentrification, I.e. Abusive house prices, businesses that serve such folk who can afford to live there. What south Norwood needs is a bloody good scrub and more house proud folk who don't use their front gardens as rubbish tips...sooner that than 600k for a three bed, a few coffee bars and restaurants - no thanks. You know some of us have a vague hope that our kids might one day live locally or that, gasp, one might even one day get a bigger property in the same area instead forever being pushed out to Crawley and the like!
Nothing wrong with improving the area something should be also be done with Thornton Heath. I don't understand why people don't embrace change and improvement and always put it down to some conspiracy of rich people robbing the poor.
improving yes, regeneration yes, gentrification, no thanks.
thing ismate, what is london turning into? are you rich? if not, what'll be left for you?
Not rich but I've worked hard for what I've got perhaps if a few more adopted that ethic and stopped expecting the Govt to support them we might all be better off. London needs to and does evolve otherwise we'd still be living in Victorian slums (No doubt the rich and the bankers were to blame for those as well!)
Good troll attempt
boohoo might be able to offer a more nuanced analysis of the Victorian housing period
Many many many people work very hard and yet still struggle to put a secure roof over their head
So Miss-Shelf what do you propose? No regeneration and just let the area decline? The regeneration can bring more housing with it and can be a mix of housing associations and home ownership.Just look at the housing being built in Croydon as an example. I must admit I'm not a great fan of high rise especially having lived in council flat in the past but like in Hong Kong it's the only answer with high populations and limited space. Come into the real world Miss-Shelf and allow those hard working people to have their own homes
How many local Croydon people do you think are buying the high rise new apartments in Croydon? 300k+ for a 1 bed flat.
but you were saying you wanted the area gentrified which means the end result is just a tiny portion of hte local population can live there and inevitably move out.
I agree London prices are too high so what to do. Build more homes or reduce the number of people moving to London. As the latter can't happen we have to build more. Oh wait there is a third option Comrade Corbyn could nationalise the housing stock of the UK. In the meantime I only wrote in to welcome Antic to South Norwood, I hope it happens ,gastro pub with champagne cocktails -lovely
So your family for generations to come has more right to live in a certain area than others.
Doesn't sound very fair to me.
So funny you can't coordinate a sensible reply
Improving an area by improving the lives and life chances of the people living there is great. Pricing the poorest out of the area to replace them with richer people isn't really an improvement overall. The poor are still poor just shunted about and crammed into ever shittier accommodation, or the street.
But you both know that anyway, little troll twins.
"come into the real world"
You score 20 points on the cunt meter.
BTW, you clearly haven't got a fucking clue if you don't understand how class and wealth existed in Victorian times so that we ended up with slum areas.
There seems to be a theme on here if calling anybody with a different viewpoint a troll.
And it's pretty basic.
Have you given up on the students occupy… thread where you appear to not be able to discuss/respond to points properly?
It's called competition. When you play football do you expect the other side to sit by and let you boot goals in.
If a place gets nicer more people will want to live there.
Who are you to deny them that want ?
Who are you to deny them it if they've worked that bit harder to live in a nicer place ?
Back as soon as you like. Has anybody structured anything meaningful in reply to my last yet ? Or just swearing and moral back slapping.
Please pop back and update me
Wealthy and poor people living together have been part of civilisations through the ages and I can't see that changing under any Govt. As Barry and I are being shouted down and being called the troll twins what do the others want for South Norwood and similar Greater London areas as I haven't read any suggestions so far?
I'd just like to clarify that I don't consider myself 'shouted down' !
The more people swear and behave like spoilt teenagers, the more confirmation I have that they have no come back. Give me more.
I'm so looking forward to Antic arriving. It will definitely pull up the area. I love Coffee Craft too and I wish there were a couple more restaurants and coffee shops and I'll be satisfied (for a bit)!
As I say, I would also be looking forward to Antic coming if they were not taking over an existing, cheap pub. Several pubs have closed in South Norwood in the last few years. One was illegally converted to flats, and there is a battle going on to reinstate it. Another one keeps failing to get planning permission to change its use, so is just sitting there empty. There is another one which has been closed for ages, near Tesco Express on Portland Road, which would have been good. The Wetherspoons, however, is still trading and is the only cheap pub for miles around.
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