nino_savatte
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spring-peeper said:
Zoltan's beaten me to it but that's it in a nutshell. Bill Hicks (I think) had a routine on this very subject...or was it me?
South Dakota set to Limit most Abortions
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Zoltan's beaten me to it but that's it in a nutshell. Bill Hicks (I think) had a routine on this very subject...or was it me?
Johnny Canuck3
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Saline amniocentesis is induced stillbirth.
Johnny Canuck3
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Red Jezza said:so, you little nazi, you don't think a women should control her own body?
and if it's 'unborn', it ain't a child. not at 24 weeks
dickhead.
I don't know about him, but I believe a woman should control her own body. In this instance, we've weighed the options, and the woman's right to control her own body means that we will allow the killing of a human fetus, which if not by definition a human, is something that will in the overwhelming majority of instances, if left to term, become a human.
So imo, we're killing our progeny, but given the surrounding social circumstances, it is the expedient thing to do.
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Johnny Canuck2 said:
I disagree. It's an abortion
I don't give a fuck what the procedure for an abortion is, the people who have a right to an opinion are the woman, her medical advisors and anyone she chooses to talk to. not to some random cunt who thinks he knows better than her what her decision should be and is going to try and use terminology that he thinks is going to guilt herinto aggreeing with him.
here's news for you, it won't change her mind if she is doing what she knows is right, it will just make it more traumatic for her.
Johnny Canuck3
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Like the man who impregnated her?
Johnny Canuck3
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Don't get me wrong: I support your right to have an abortion. But let's not play games: what happens during an abortion is the taking of a life.
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Johnny Canuck2 said:
If she chooses to, but only then.
It's her body, if we are looking at consequences, then he should have thought about asking her for her views on that before having sex with her. Put the shoe on his foot for once.
I've heard so much shit about women taking the consequences for being pregnant, that biology means they carry the can, so they take responsibility. Fine, they take responsibility, they get the rights that go with that.
Johnny Canuck3
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The thing inside the woman is a life.
I too, put the needs of the already-born person over those of the individual yet to be born.
The difference is that I know that what we're doing is killing, while so many pro lifers choose to play semantic games about that issue.
Johnny Canuck3
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If you reserve that choice for the woman alone, then will you grant the man the choice of whether or not to provide financial support should she choose to have the baby?
Johnny Canuck3
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I've often wondered: how many vegetarians are pro choice?
I wonder because it would mean they're opposed to the killing of animals, but they're ok with killiing something that's the next best thing to a human being.
I wonder because it would mean they're opposed to the killing of animals, but they're ok with killiing something that's the next best thing to a human being.
Johnny Canuck3
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snadge said:
IMO, if the woman wants the unfettered discretion about whether or not the child should be born, then she can bear the financial obligation of that decision.
Johnny Canuck3
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The fact is that the birth of a child is of major consequence to the lives of both the mother and the father.
trashpony
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Johnny Canuck2 said:
I'm afraid that's bollocks Johnny. A father doesn't have to have anything to do with proceedings once he's shot his sperm. Because he often chooses to doesn't make the two roles equal.
I don't really care whether you feel it's the taking of a life or not. I don't consider it is a life. Because it isn't born, doesn't have the ability to support itself and, at that point, is actually a part of my body. So it's no-one else's business but mine.
But then my views on abortion are well-known. See multiple threads passim
Johnny Canuck3
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snadge said:
Why: is that opinion to controversial to be believed?
Johnny Canuck3
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Surely my opinion is clear on this thread.
Johnny Canuck3
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trashpony said:I'm afraid that's bollocks Johnny. A father doesn't have to have anything to do with proceedings once he's shot his sperm. Because he often chooses to doesn't make the two roles equal.
I don't really care whether you feel it's the taking of a life or not. I don't consider it is a life. Because it isn't born, doesn't have the ability to support itself and, at that point, is actually a part of my body. So it's no-one else's business but mine.
But then my views on abortion are well-known. See multiple threads passim
It's not part of your body. You're hosting it inside your body for nine months.
snadge
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Johnny Canuck2 said:
in alot of absent fathers heads no.
in real life yes, in a loving relationship how many women go against their partners wishes and abort?
In fleeting encounters where pregnancy occurs how much control is exerted by the male?
this is the crux, a LOT of men have no intention of hanging around or attempting to contribute to a "mistake" but seem to want to have so much control over what happens at the end.
so what do you think JC2?
give the power to the person who will actually have to endure the real life pressures of having to care for an unwanted pregnancy.
or give the powers to another party that doesn't really give a shit but doesn't believe in abortion.
Yuwipi Woman
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He stated it pretty obviously on the previous page.
I'm pro-choice, but I prefer that people choose not to. It's not optimum to have unwanted preganancies in the first place. Prevention is better.
Yuwipi Woman
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It's alway tiring to repeat oneself, don't you think?
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