Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by audiotech, Aug 16, 2012.
Lonmin urged to do more to help workers after Marikana massacre
Wrong again, Idris:
Marikana Massacre: Police absolve 87 of their own | Daily Maverick
Shouldn't be surprised.
Meanwhile, one of Mandela's granddaughters say she is so sickened by the current situation that she's not going to vote ANC anymore:
I will not vote ANC anymore - Mandela's eldest granddaughter
One of her reasons is this scandal:
The roots of the current crisis in South Africa
"Over the last few weeks it has come to light that South Africa’s Social Security Agency (SASSA) has no idea how it will pay 17 million social (welfare) grants to around 11 million South Africans on April 1. This has understandably caused some concern,"
You don't say.
Now COSATU are callling on Zuma to stand down:
BREAKING: Cosatu calls for Zuma to go | Daily Maverick
Whether this call will be heeded is hard to say, but it's very significant that it's even being made.
Cheers Idris. Are there any potential names in the ANC around which the anti-Zuma movement is crystallising around?
Cyril Ramaphosa is the big name that I would consider as a likely anti-Zuma.
But Zuma's ex, Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma is in the running as well. If she wins, Zumaism will carry on, I think.
The families of the Marikana dead want nothing to do with either of them:
'Go Away': Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma Chased Away From Marikana
Nothing new to report, just spotted a mention on the twitter machine about Daily Show host Trevor Noah doing a bit about Marikana in one of his TV specials. Not very edifying.
Well it's a perfect example of why liberalism needs to destroyed.
Breaking news on twitter is that it's Cyril for the top spot.
Cyril can only be a huge improvement on Zuma.
Africa has been poorly served by the likes of Zuma and Mugabe.
Is there now a glimmer of hope for a brighter African future?
That's over 50 different countries you're lumping intogether. Zuma and Mugabe are hardly representative. Be more specific.
He can't do that. That would mean knowing more than he does.
Maybe you'd like to enlighten us with some African economic and political success stories, Krtek.
As you say, you have over 50 countries to choose from.
No, I insist. Be more specific. The burden of proof is on you, Larry.
Thank fuck most were colonised or they would be in an even worse state.
They certainly would.
India, Ireland, Kenya, Palestine all benefited from colonisation/being run by Britain, did they?
You need to get some help with that hatred of all things British, krytek.
Why? On the wane as a professed national identity, anyway.
It's krtek and despising colonisation and empire does not make a person anti-British. Unless you see those 2 things as defining your identity?
Fuck it Larry I'm pretty vehementally anti-British, but then I'm from the colonies and saw what the cunts got up to.
You're entitled to your opinion, Poi E. I spent much of my schooling in Malawi, whilst my Dad had a contract with the government there. I have also lived in Singapore. I found that the people of both places had a great deal of respect for the British. Unfortunately, like many African countries, Malawi has progressed little, if at all, since independence, whilst Singapore has progressed in leaps and bounds due mainly to the discipline and work ethic of its people, but also due to the infrastructure left behind by the British.
I think you'll find that most British people who worked in the colonies built roads, railways, schools and other infrastructure, educated the locals, introduced the rule of law and provided medical facilities.
Sums up the childishness and poverty of your worldview Larry if you think the difference in post-colonial trajectory between a city-state entrepot on major shipping lanes and a largely rural landlocked state is all down to the work ethic of the people.
JimW : I was comparing a small state with zero natural resources, a large population relative to its size, hardly any farmland but good economic management, which even imported its own water, to one with a large lake, abundant and fertile land but with a poorly managed economy.
You really don't need to dislike the Singaporeans merely because they have worked wonders with their postage stamp size country, whilst the UK, has according to many left-wingers, gone backwards during the same period.
Jesus Christ. The benefits of colonialism being espoused on urban without hardly a peep. Respect to the honourable exceptions, of course.
Happy Larry, you are an apologist for the crime of colonialism and an amoral person. Sadly, through my extended family across South Africa, Australia and New Zealand, I'm familiar with your type; bitter chit-chat over sundowners about how pandering to the natives has done no good, the fucking rose tinted specs on to a childhood filled with laughter, sunshine and watermelon smiles etc.
ANC in working class betrayal shocker.
And Zuma has gone. What will the next billionaire president do?
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