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Sopranos Finale: SPOILERS!

London_Calling said:
I suppose what I liked about this route was it was almost anti-sentimental, I also thought it open-ended (rather than “ambiguous”) in so much as the Soprano family continues.
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but does it? We don't know. Hence 'ambiguous'

Fwiw, I won’t miss it and prob won’t go back to it – certainly watchable and crafted, and I wonder if I’d think more highly of The Soprano’s had I not come to it directly from the first 50 hours of The Wire (after which everything pales).
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yes, you would. Tho the Sopranos has been wittier than what I have seen of The Wire (jusrt one and a bit seasons so far, tho I have the rest of it now and may well just sit and watch it all night tonight - ott?)
 
Imo, The Wire should be savoured and reflected upon - once it's gone, it's gone forever. I watched each one twice before moving on to the next, and tried to only see a few a week. It wasn't easy but I'm glad I had the self control because the experience lasted longer - not too hard to find an analogy, I suspect.


Yep, a strong point of the Soprano's was the slight wink at the camera.
 
I seem to remember there was significance in the songs we saw on the jukebox just before the end - a clue?

Only I can't remember what they were now. Can anyone remember?
 
dream_girl said:
I seem to remember there was significance in the songs we saw on the jukebox just before the end - a clue?

Only I can't remember what they were now. Can anyone remember?
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Don't Stop Believing stuck in my head for several days afterwards - and Tony spent a while choosing that :)
 
Just seen the last ever episode from last night. Fuck all the year I been watching Sopranos. I must be the only person in the uk not seen till now.

Shit fucking ending .... :rolleyes:
 
i went through the footage of Bobby's train set shooting onn slow-mo to see if any of the hit-men who came into the shop wearing baseball caps were the same as any of the folk who came into the diner at the end.

they weren't.

NB: what were the other songs you saw on the on the diner 'jukebox' menu BTW? i remember they had all featured in the film but cant remember what they were or their narrative context?
 
PS: does anyone have every episode on DVD? i've got em all but lost one of the discs and really want to get hold of it again . please PM me if anyone can help (it was the disc containing 3 eopisodes, one of which was when Dr Melfi was raped in the car-park)
 
NB: what were the other songs you saw on the on the diner 'jukebox' menu BTW? i remember they had all featured in the film but cant remember what they were or their narrative context?
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One of them was a Heart song iirc.
 
I thought it was a fitting end to a series that had gone down hill from it's excellent beginnings...oh and yeah he was killed imo. It ended the way anyone's experience of being killed would end, everything going black.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
oh and yeah he was killed imo. It ended the way anyone's experience of being killed would end, everything going black.
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yes, i'd thought that too, but then again he did suffer from his 'petit mal' and had had been 'discharged' by Dr Melfi so another interpretation would be that his fainting siezures had returned and he was basically back at the very place he was when the series first started?
 
Why would you both think that? That would only make sense if the series or even any one of the programmes had been from his perspective. None of them were.
 
sojourner said:
Some bits? Which bits? None that I recall. It was all 3rd person.

The reason the climax wouldn't be, is because it wouldn't make sense after six fucking seasons of it NOT being :D
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apart from the episodes when we was on holiday with pauli (in hotel, on boat etc), in the coma.... and sure there were others .
 
chico enrico said:
apart from the episodes when we was on holiday with pauli (in hotel, on boat etc), in the coma.... and sure there were others .
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The Paulie thing - that still wasn't 1st person. Although the camera might have been looking at Paulie, the narrative wasn't in the 1st person. You never heard Tony's thoughts, or looked through his eyes afair.

Can anyone else lend an opinion on this?

The coma - that might have been the closest to 1st person, but I'd have to see it again.
 
hmmm, i think you're right actually and the coma scenes were the only 1st person ones.

weren't some of the earlier flashback ones when he's a kid and sees his dad chase that guy and chop his finger off 1st person tho?
 
chico enrico said:
hmmm, i think you're right actually and the coma scenes were the only 1st person ones.

weren't some of the earlier flashback ones when he's a kid and sees his dad chase that guy and chop his finger off 1st person tho?
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:D I've been reconsidering as well

http://justtv.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/the-sopranos-stops-but-doesnt-end/ this guy makes a convincing argument for the final scene.

Yeh, the flashbacks can come under 1st person I reckon

So anyway, I still don't think he got clipped. I still think it's as simple as being denied a satisfactory denouement. A big pointy 'ha ha' at the viewers :)
 
sojourner said:
:D So anyway, I still don't think he got clipped. I still think it's as simple as being denied a satisfactory denouement. A big pointy 'ha ha' at the viewers :)
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no no, i'm agreeing with you. i don't think some fat fuck in skin coloured socks iced big tone either :)
 
I don't think Tony died either. To have an ending like that would have been exactly the type of simplistic moralising the series always managed to avoid. The point of the ending was to confound the audiences expectation and that evil goes unpunished. It pulled the rug from under the viewer by seeming building up to Tony's comeuppance and then not delivering it. Some people are just seeing something that wasn't there if they think Tony got clipped because they need everything tied up neatly. As many have said before, it was initially dramatically disappointing, but very clever the more you think about it. Him dying is not clever.
 
Personally I think its irrelevant what we might or might not think. For me the key to it all is the Shrink making the final decision to break with treating Tony.

The single thing that elevated the Sopranos from just being a Gangster saga to so so much more was the relationship between her and Tony. She was our entrance to his world. It was through her that we could see him for what he really was and also see how difficult it can be to stay on the right side of things ( the episodes about her being raped, the rapist being released on a technicality and then her finding out where he worked ).

The FBI agents constantly alluded to how difficult it was to trap Tony talking about anything and yet he goes to see a psychiatrist and we can watch.

What happens to him consequently is something that we will never know because our world and his have parted but of course we can all come to our own conclusions.

For me its that he is killed. Its already been alluded to in earlier episodes about not hearing the bullet that kills you, the scene with Meadow managing to only park her after two bodged attempts and so on and on.

I would goes as far as to say that his looking up and seeing Meadow as she enters the diner and then nothing is perhaps the writers way of giving Tony perhaps the kindest ending to any of the murders throughout the series because his final sight is of the only woman he ever truly loved but I concede it could me just being sentimental.
 
Reno said:
I don't think Tony died either. To have an ending like that would have been exactly the type of simplistic moralising the series always managed to avoid. The point of the ending was to confound the audiences expectation and that evil goes unpunished. It pulled the rug from under the viewer by seeming building up to Tony's comeuppance and then not delivering it.
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:cool:
 
the article about the ending makes for extremely interesting reading. thinking back i now do remember believing initially that the final scene was a dream sequence because of the unusual camera shots used and the music playing but then i was lulled into thinking that actually it wasn't. so, now i do think tony was killed, we were watching tony watch himself get killed before it actually happened if that makes sense?
 
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