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Sony's amazing new DSC R1 10.3-megapixel camera

JonathanS2 said:
The casio already has a new firmware release which I think addresses the main issues.

It's a nice camera. The most recent bunch of photos here http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonathans2/ were taken with it ...

So they have! I just spotted that on digitalcamerainfo.com

This looks nice:

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http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Sanyo-Release-Xacti-E6-with-3-inch-LCD-.htm
 
DPreview have just posted up their review of the DSC-R1 and they've given it their highest accolade of 'highly recommended'!

The review concludes that the "superb 24 - 120 mm F2.8 - F4.8 lens is worth the $999 alone" sporting a better resolution than the EOS 350D.

I can't afford to buy one, but I'd love to have a go - I'm interested to see how that viewfinder works in 'real life.'

Kudos to Sony for doing something different too.
 
I still don't get why anyone would buy it. It costs more than a DSLR, but lacks its benefits. It's still a point and shoot; alright, an excellent one, but where's the market? To my mind it'd better be worth the $1000 for the lens alone, because that's all you're really getting.
 
mauvais mangue said:
I still don't get why anyone would buy it. It costs more than a DSLR, but lacks its benefits.
A swivelling live preview is a pretty compelling feature in my book, as is the superb lens which will remain free from any worries about getting dust on the sensor.

If only Sony had fitted a video feature...
 
Dust is a big problem, I'll grant you that. Olympus seem to have had some success with their vibrating/ultrasonic wave/something like that sensor but I don't know how well it works. Here's another thing - zoom lenses are inherently leaky, and will take in dust to their own internals. I'd hope the Sony is built in the same way and has a seal between lens and sensor.

As for live preview, I can only think of a few occasions where it'd be any use; avoiding having to either lie in the mud or guess for low-down shots, and stuff where you're put in a very awkward or impossible physical position.

I'm not keen on the lens though. It does its job great but it's almost the same effective range as the D70 kit lens (24-120mm vs 27-105mm) and I don't use that too often. I much prefer long range telephoto or macro, or with various primes. The D70 kit lens isn't perfect but it's far from being the weakest link in the chain; that'll be me, and then the body.

Look at it like this; you buy the D50 body off Amazon, $600. Then you add the 24-120mm lens with VR for $512; you've spent $100 more and got equal or better results, but more importantly a system you can upgrade.
 
mauvais mangue said:
As for live preview, I can only think of a few occasions where it'd be any use; avoiding having to either lie in the mud or guess for low-down shots, and stuff where you're put in a very awkward or impossible physical position.
I must admit I find it invaluable to know exactly how the picture's going to look before I take it - especially when I'm taking tricky night shots.
 
editor said:
I must admit I find it invaluable to know exactly how the picture's going to look before I take it - especially when I'm taking tricky night shots.
How come on all the digital camereas I've used the preview looks nothing like what is actually saved? :confused:
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
How come on all the digital camereas I've used the preview looks nothing like what is actually saved? :confused:
Dunno. I always get more or less what I'm seeing (unless the lighting's changing rapidly).
 
editor said:
Dunno. I always get more or less what I'm seeing (unless the lighting's changing rapidly).
Must just be me then, but it always drives me nuts that what I get never looks like the camera just showed me it would....

I'm still sticking with film ;) :D
 
editor said:
I must admit I find it invaluable to know exactly how the picture's going to look before I take it - especially when I'm taking tricky night shots.
That's what experience is for :D
 
mauvais mangue said:
That's what experience is for
I've done more than my fair share of low light shots, but still prefer to see a live LCD preview for some shots

But each to their own, horses for courses etc etc. :D
 
My nose is too big for my Nikon DSLR and it gets squashed when I use the view finder, I need one of those extension things :o
 
editor said:
I've done more than my fair share of low light shots, but still prefer to see a live LCD preview for some shots

But each to their own, horses for courses etc etc. :D
Aye - I'm only joking. I'm just reminded of Ansel Adams' "moment" where he took two photographs of the same thing and realised he could visualise exactly what was going to happen. Certainly I can begin to guess timings and results etc at night; it's easier than in the day.

I took loads of night time shots with my old digital compact, and I always thought 'wooo!' when I looked at the LCD. Invariably they'd all misfocused or gone wrong when I got them back home. The same still happens wrt the D70 LCD but not as much. There's a very easy false sense of security to fall into.

Anyway, my point: nothing compares to being sure of what you see in the viewfinder, and what you've dialled in settings-wise. Otherwise you're relying on an insufficiently low-granularity LCD, even when zoomed in. For this reason I'll never miss the previews. I thought I would when I got an SLR - 'eh? I have to look through the what now?' but it turns out I don't one bit.
 
For that money you could get a KM Dynax/Maxxum 5D with the 18-70 kit lens, a second-hand 50mm 1.4 and a 70-200 f4 and still have change left over for a packet of Sensorswabs. You get proper manual control over everything, a real viewfinder, faster and better autofocus, shorter shutter lag, a far bigger LCD, proper white balance control and the ability to use greycards, longer battery life, the amazing KM antishake and a multitude of other goodness. Yes, the optics might be very nice, but there's no upgrade path and they'll still be whupped into next week by a £70 prime. The extra 4 megapixels is about an inch and a half of extra print at 300dpi and meaningless once you take Genuine Fractals into account - a good 6mp APS C sensor resolves more detail than even Provia, no sub-£1000 zoom will outshoot a 6mp sensor.

It's a nice camera if prosumer shooting is the limit of your ambitions, but I'd far rather hand a student of photography something that will grow with them. Being able to rent a 300 2.8 for the day or plug into a studio flash system may be irrelevant to the snapshooter but it's the reason why SLRs dominate.
 
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