'Sons and daughters' housing policy in Tower Hamladesh?

[Dravinian]

The communities are fine as they are. They don't need 'reinvigorating' with ex-white flight. There's not enough housing available for that anyway.

The communities being fine or not is purely an opinion isn't it. It isn't a fact. Whether they need invigorating or not, is another opinion isn't it, not a fact.

The housing being available, well it seems from the report that housing is being made available, and isn't that the point. I am asking if it will be made available to previous sons and daughters of tower hamlets, to extend the priviledge to those that were forced to move before the scheme was introduced.

 

[Dravinian]

cesare, I have to admit I have selfish reasons for asking.

I am a son of tower hamlets, and I am wondering whether if the council is now stating the opinion that the sons and daughters of Tower Hamlets should have the choice to live in Tower Hamlets, whether that applies to me.

 

[cesare]

You seem to think that they're not fine and would benefit from being 'reinvigorated' with some sons & daughters of white folks that moved away 10-15 years ago.

I don't.

 

[cesare]

cesare, I have to admit I have selfish reasons for asking.

I am a son of tower hamlets, and I am wondering whether if the council is now stating the opinion that the sons and daughters of Tower Hamlets should have the choice to live in Tower Hamlets, whether that applies to me.

Yeah, move back in. That's cool. Anyone can live here. You can buy, rent, sofa-surf or put your name on the housing list.

 

[Dravinian]

Yeah, move back in. That's cool. Anyone can live here. You can buy, rent, sofa-surf or put your name on the housing list.

You don't seem to understand that we were forced to move out by being on a housing list that did not prioritise local people.

The council is now saying that this was wrong, and that they plan to change it so that housing does prioritise local people.

So I am saying, ok so shouldn't I be allowed back in.

You seem to think because I am white I shouldn't be given the same priority as local people to live in Tower Hamlets. Even though I was one until I was forced to move out by the local housing policy, which the Council has just stated was wrong.

If I was wronged, shouldn't I be entitled to expect the council to make that right?

 

[Treacle Toes]

To my eyes it seems a pretty straight forward case of saying that its somehow more important for Bangladeshis to be encouraged to maintain community co-hesion than the original native white population of that area and no matter how much people try and spin it thats how the BNP are going to use it.

I think there is something wrong with your eyes because the native population of this country hasn't been solely white for a long time.

 

[Treacle Toes]

And the OP can fuck off with his 'Hamladesh' bollocks.

I decided a long time ago not to swear in my posts and am doing quite well to resist the temptation, but when I read the OP I so wanted to post the above in the largest font possible. I'm glad someone has at least posted it.

 

[cesare]

You don't seem to understand that we were forced to move out by being on a housing list that did not prioritise local people.

The council is now saying that this was wrong, and that they plan to change it so that housing does prioritise local people.

So I am saying, ok so shouldn't I be allowed back in.

You seem to think because I am white I shouldn't be given the same priority as local people to live in Tower Hamlets.

That's not what the Council are saying. Read it again (to the extent that there is any actual decent information in that ELA rubbish article).

Tell us more about how your family were 'forced out' please.

You're allowed back in, no-one's stopping you. And hopefully, if your social and economic needs are more pressing, you'll get higher priority on the allocation of social housing.

 

[cesare]

If I was wronged, shouldn't I be entitled to expect the council to make that right?

Lol.

 

[Dravinian]

That's not what the Council are saying. Read it again (to the extent that there is any actual decent information in that ELA rubbish article).

Tell us more about how your family were 'forced out' please.

You're allowed back in, no-one's stopping you. And hopefully, if your social and economic needs are more pressing, you'll get higher priority on the allocation of social housing.

A six-month inquiry by the authority's overview and scrutiny committee found offspring in their 20s now had to move far away to find homes, causing problems for the close family network.

So thse people it is found had to move away, but I didn't. I wasn't forced, which is what HAVING to do something means, but these people were this report found or are you questioning the report?

There is much stopping me returning to Tower Hamlets, cost of housing, House Prices were 180,000 in 2002 and house prices have increased about 20% since then.

The housing waiting list gives me no priority at all. So I will be bottom of a list that is 20,000 long.

If this scheme is introduced, then my position in that list would be improved dramatically.

As a son of Tower Hamlets, I am still bewildered as to why you think such a scheme should not apply to me. Your only reason so far seems to be because I am white.

 

[cesare]

As a son of Tower Hamlets, I am still bewildered as to why you think such a scheme should not apply to me. Your only reason so far seems to be because I am white.

No, it's not because you're white. It's because you haven't given a reason why you need to live here and why your needs take priority.

And because you're a complete fuckwit with racist undertones to most of what you post - very similar to Layabout and his various guises. But that's just me

 

[Dravinian]

No, it's not because you're white. It's because you haven't given a reason why you need to live here and why your needs take priority.

But the council is saying that need isn't the priority it was and that they wish to introduce a scheme to help local people find homes locally.

It isn't a matter of 'need' to live there, I want to live there as that is where I spent much of my youth.

And because you're a complete fuckwit with racist undertones to most of what you post - very similar to Layabout and his various guises. But that's just me

Racist undertones, so we got to that accusation did we, didn't take long did it. I am surprised you waited this long.

Out of the two of us, I would say you were the more racist. Simply because I wondered whether the scheme applied to me and I was white. This somehow makes me racist.

I think that is a racist view. You have viewed me and my opinion, based on the fact that I am white. That makes you the racist.

 

[cesare]

Redrumsbum/Dravinian/Layabout

Let's hear why you have social and economic needs for being prioritised for social housing in Tower Hamlets then.

You seem to be avoiding that question.

 

[Dravinian]

Here let me point out the part where you showed you were being racist.

The old white community couldn't reinvigorate the local area.

Yet if I had posted suggesting that an old group of Afro Carribean's be allowed to return to reinvigorate the local area, you would never have dared to suggest that they could not add to the local area.

yet when it is white people, how could we possibly invigorate the area, what with us all being so shit.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Dravinian, can I just point out that I was born in Tower Hamlets and lived there with my family for many years. The scheme may not apply to me and I am not white.

 

[Dravinian]

Redrumsbum/Dravinian/Layabout

Let's hear why you have social and economic needs for being prioritised for social housing in Tower Hamlets then.

You seem to be avoiding that question.

Because the council has stated that local people should be prioritised for local housing. I don't see why I should justify anything other then the fact that i am an ex-local person.

 

[Dravinian]

Dravinian, can I just point out that I was born in Tower Hamlets and lived there with my family for many years. The scheme may not apply to me and I am not white.

Why wouldn't it apply to you? Because you moved out already too?

Seems unfair to me.

I was hoping they would extend it as a mea culpa of their error.

 

[cesare]

Dravinian/Layabout, you'll probably last another 50-100 posts, maybe less if you ain't using a proxy.

 

[Dravinian]

Dravinian/Layabout, you'll probably last another 50-100 posts, maybe less if you ain't using a proxy.

Funny I was marthews, was it yesterday, today I am layabout, who will I be tomorrow I wonder?

 

[cesare]

Funny I was marthews, was it yesterday, today I am layabout, who will I be tomorrow I wonder?

Who cares?

You won't be around long.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Why wouldn't it apply to you? Because you moved out already too?

Yes we moved. For no other reason than at the time it wasn't a great place to live and that had nothing to do with the immigrant population.
It was run down and didn't have a lot going for it, FACT!

Lots of people moved away for that reason and that reason alone. Some left because they could afford to. Others left because they were racist and didn't want to live next door to immigrants.

A lot of immigrant population was dumped there and left to rot.

 

[scifisam]

It's a shit rule. Council housing is in such short supply, it should be allocated on need, not by politicking (which in this case, the cynic might say, is for keeping a council's voting base happy)

I think keeping a community together, providing long-term support for children, parents and grandparents, is a need. Somehow I doubt having grown up in Tower Hamlets will get you enough extra points to take a flat from an asylum seeker with six kids, anyway.

JHE, it would be a much more interesting discussion, with more people joining in, if you toned down your anti-Bangladeshi ideas. They might well be bringing this back because the councillors are different now and have different ideas, not because there are now more youngsters of a Bangladeshi background seeking homes.

Now, if the policy only applies to wards where the Bangladeshi population is in the majority, excluding areas where other races are predominant, then it would be right to say that race might well be the reason - but somehow I doubt that'll happen.

 

[scifisam]

Dravinian/Layabout, you'll probably last another 50-100 posts, maybe less if you ain't using a proxy.

That's rather unfair. If you really think he's the same person as Layabout/Redrumsbum, you should report it. But I haven't seen Dravinian post loads of racist stuff, so I wouldn't have made the connection between them.

Though, from the sounds of it, since I'm in favour of this policy too, I guess I'll only last another 100 posts.

 

[Treacle Toes]

As the immigrant population of Tower Hamlets is now a long standing one, won't they be seen as 'East End families' too?

 

[cesare]

That's rather unfair. If you really think he's the same person as Layabout/Redrumsbum, you should report it. But I haven't seen Dravinian post loads of racist stuff, so I wouldn't have made the connection between them.

*shrugs*

Though, from the sounds of it, since I'm in favour of this policy too, I guess I'll only last another 100 posts.

I don't have a problem with the policy as long as it's applied in an even handed way i.e. nothing at all like the policy that was applied by the Liberals/LibDems.

I do have a problem with people that see this policy as way of asserting housing priorities based on 10-15 year old past heritage claims rather current social and economic needs. I don't know if that applies to you or not, I suspect not.

 

[cesare]

As the immigrant population of Tower Hamlets is now a long standing one, won't they be seen as 'East End families' too?

That's entirely my point tbh. They are East End families.

 

[Dravinian]

Yes we moved. For no other reason than at the time it wasn't a great place to live and that had nothing to do with the immigrant population.
It was run down and didn't have a lot going for it, FACT!

Lots of people moved away for that reason and that reason alone. Some left because they could afford to. Others left because they were racist and didn't want to live next door to immigrants.

A lot of immigrant population was dumped there and left to rot.

You know even if they said, alright then you can come get a house, I would have to think long and hard about it. The housing situation in Tower Hamlets is pretty damn dire. Read reports of them trying to reach the Decent Standard for Homes and you wonder whether you would want to live there anyway.

Yet compared against the secure tenancy of a council property with low rent, it would be a tough decision.

 

[Treacle Toes]

That's entirely my point tbh. They are East End families.

I'm glad someone other than me does realise that then.

 

[Stoat Boy]

That's entirely my point tbh. They are East End families.

Fine. But why is it smashing to protect these East End families and preserve their communities but it was perfectly fine, 20 years ago, to destroy the previous East End families ?

It strikes me that many of you dont object to white working class people being forced out of an area, as happened with this change of housing policy but when the same thing happens to non-white people, as is happening now, you are all suddenly in favour of giving them protection because economic circumstances have changed ?

 

[Treacle Toes]

You know even if they said, alright then you can come get a house, I would have to think long and hard about it. The housing situation in Tower Hamlets is pretty damn dire. Read reports of them trying to reach the Decent Standard for Homes and you wonder whether you would want to live there anyway.

So why all the fuss about immigrant families taking priority then? Lots of us natives think like you have posted above, and we are not all white.