Something left-minded people COULD do ...

[Belushi]

Pfff! In most white-collar workpalces the managers outnumber the workers!

Thats not my experience, and I've worked in a lot of different places.

 

[poster342002]

Seriously poster, how do you explain the fact that so many other people have had better experiences of workplaces than you - thats not to say everyone things their workplaces are perfect but your experience seems to be uniformly hellish?

I'd say this board is not representative of the population as a whole.

 

[belboid]

he's also talking about something that no one actually does do, its another fiction created to give him an excuse to sit on his fat arse moaning.

 

[Belushi]

I'd say this board is not representative of the population as a whole.

Do you really believe that the population as a whole share your experience of workplaces as always nightmarish? I dont think anyone I know shares that view.

 

[nino_savatte]

Pfff! In most white-collar workpalces the managers outnumber the workers!

I used to think that, too - but I've come to realise they are the norm rather than the exception that so many leftists like to pretend are representative of workpalce UK as a whole.

Basically, my blinkers came off about 10 years ago.

Aye, you are a depressingly miserable git and a possible misanthropist to boot.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I'd say this board is not representative of the population as a whole.

You never did.

 

[belboid]

So, basically, no clue at all. Just the standard trot-style-denunciations and distortions whenever someone says they can see the elephant in the living room.

I'd defy you to work in any of the places I've worked and not either come out the same way or end up taking refuge in 100% facility time TU work.

where have you worked then, cuntchops? you are always rather vague about that.

 

[poster342002]

Thats not my experience, and I've worked in a lot of different places.

Many people try to reach that conclusion by insisting managers aren't actually managers (depsite them sacking, bullying and disciplining left-right-and-centre).

 

[Belushi]

Many people try to reach that conclusion by insisting managers aren't actually managers (depsite them sacking, bullying and disciplining left-right-and-centre).

Could you clarify that? it doesnt really make any sense?

 

[poster342002]

Do you really believe that the population as a whole share your experience of workplaces as always nightmarish? I dont think anyone I know shares that view.

No, most people kiss corporate butt and pretend to themsleves they're happy.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

No, most people kiss corporate butt and pretend to themsleves they're happy.

A million people
In factory and office
Aware there's something missing
But living with their losses

 

[kyser_soze]

In fairness poster, I've worked in quite a wide variety of roles from warehouse work to City PA roles, and I've got to agree with the comments about your unifromly shitty experiences not being the norm...

 

[poster342002]

Could you clarify that? it doesnt really make any sense?

They insist that people in manager-grades are actually "comrade" fellow-workers despite their treatment of those in the few-remaining actual worker grades and their brazenly loyalty to the corporate heirarchy.

 

[dennisr]

Oh, for heaven's sake, I've spent over 10 years being polite about it, using reasoned argument (that falls on deaf ears) and so forth - but there comes a point where you get so sick of hearing people defending and supporting attacks on their own working conditions, get so sick of seeing majority-scabbing etc that you just loose all sympathy and adopt an attitude of sheer contempt.

stop sneering at those who have not given up then and i will be polite to you.

Unfortunatly i loose patience after the first twenty or so patient replies to your cynical crap - its like attempting to converse with a fucking wall in your case

 

[poster342002]

stop sneering at those who have not given up then

I will when they start getting results and changing people's attitudes in the sort of workplaces I've spent my life in.

 

[belboid]

which are what? I'm not asking for a list of names and addresses, but the type of place. I've worked in umpteen offices and have honestly rarely found the attitude you talk of. In the call centres there were some who loved to crawl to the boss, but most thought they were full of shit, and just kept their heads down. Positive asslicking has always been a rarity ime

 

[dennisr]

I will when they start getting results and changing people's attitudes in the sort of workplaces I've spent my life in.

so i am meant to come to your workplace and sort your problems out?

don't you think you may have some role to play in your workplace? - rather than projecting 'failure' onto others?

feck - thatcherler was right about some 'moaning minnies'

 

[Belushi]

No, most people kiss corporate butt and pretend to themsleves they're happy.

Really, or do you think that despite the problems all workplaces have many people are actually happy overall with their lives and that your uniformly hellish experience of every workplace you've been a part of may just have something to do with your own mental state?

 

[poster342002]

Really, or do you think that despite the problems all workplaces have many people are actually happy overall with their lives and that your uniformly hellish experience of every workplace you've been a part of may just have something to do with your own mental state?

Christ, you sound like an HR official "dealing" with a staff grievance ...

 

[poster342002]

just kept their heads down. Positive asslicking has always been a rarity ime

The whole "just keeping our head down" thing rapidly translates into tolerating any amount of shit and never backing fellow workers up when they do speak up. In my experience.

 

[dennisr]

Really, or do you think that despite the problems all workplaces have many people are actually happy overall with their lives and that your uniformly hellish experience of every workplace you've been a part of may just have something to do with your own mental state?

I think thats a fair point - one that makes me back off (again) from kicking back at you poster.

Jeseus though mate - it must be a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy for you at times - even the reaction from me and others to the stuff you post, which probably reinforces your depressive worldview - step back a bit and look at your self (hopefully not with completely jaundiced eyes).

Bulletin boards like this are limited at the best of times - how about meeting up with that fella you agreed with I jokingly said you should get together with for a beer and a laugh a wee while ago? you done that yet?

 

[dennisr]

In my experience.

Repeating your experience endlessly on these boards - derailing threads with your doom and gloom does not help your situation

 

[belboid]

not in mine, tho people generally walked rather than taking part in any organised 'fightback'. Or they'd take part in their own acts of 'sabotage' (not bothering with sales, giving too many charges back, that kinda thing). Hardly revolutionary trades unionism, but hardly complete capitulation either.

 

[Belushi]

Christ, you sound like an HR official "dealing" with a staff grievance ...

No, I sound like someone gently trying to work out why you've had such a hellish experience in every workplace, when other peoples doesnt appear to be as bad.

Now, it may be that you are extremely unlucky and have managed to work in some of the worst workplaces in Britain, or cosnidering the uniformly negative nature of your posts on here it may be that the problem is you projecting your unhappiness on those around you.

Exactly how many workplaces have you worked in?

 

[poster342002]

not in mine, tho people generally walked rather than taking part in any organised 'fightback'. Or they'd take part in their own acts of 'sabotage' (not bothering with sales, giving too many charges back, that kinda thing). Hardly revolutionary trades unionism, but hardly complete capitulation either.

And I suspect that is the closest thing to any sort of fightback we can hope to see. And it's a very sad indictment of where we are.

 

[dennisr]

doom, gloom.

are you going to reply to the friendly points made in the other posts?

 

[belboid]

And I suspect that is the closest thing to any sort of fightback we can hope to see. And it's a very sad indictment of where we are.

it is. But it is also a very different picture to the one you paint.

 

[poster342002]

Meanwhile, over on the Education & Employment forum, I'm considered to have "tedious revolutionary knee-jerk politics". On P&P i'm considered a reactionary arsehole.

In fact, that accurately reflects the position I usually find myself in; too leftwing for the workplace, too rightwing for the TU movement.

 

[dennisr]

Meanwhile, over on the Education & Employment forum, I'm considered to have "tedious revolutionary knee-jerk politics". On P&P i'm considered a reactionary arsehole.

I didn't say 'reactionary' just 'depressive'

I think it may have something to do with how you present your online persona to your viewing public in both forums...

 

[belboid]

Meanwhile, over on the Education & Employment forum, I'm considered to have "tedious revolutionary knee-jerk politics". On P&P i'm considered a reactionary arsehole.

In fact, that accurately reflects the position I usually find myself in; too leftwing for the workplace, too rightwing for the TU movement.

if you argue in your workplace how you argue in here and E&E, it's hardly surprising you havent convinced anyone.