Something big is happening in Tehran
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"The figures have been accompanied by claims from interior ministry sources that fake statistics were fed into a software program and then distributed to vote counts among polling stations to produce a plausible outcome. The same sources have also claimed that the interior ministry's statements announcing the results were prepared before Friday night's count."
Puts a slightly new slant on it. I have to say, it was a real shocker of a result bearing in mind something like 80% of the electorate are under 40 and Mousavi was the reformist. For him not to even get half of the winning total was pretty mad. I fully expected him to win it, especially when Teeny Tiny Ahmadenajad got a slap down from Khameni the week before for making false claims about Mousavi's wife. That seemed like preparing for a new regime to me.
Puts a slightly new slant on it. I have to say, it was a real shocker of a result bearing in mind something like 80% of the electorate are under 40 and Mousavi was the reformist. For him not to even get half of the winning total was pretty mad. I fully expected him to win it, especially when Teeny Tiny Ahmadenajad got a slap down from Khameni the week before for making false claims about Mousavi's wife. That seemed like preparing for a new regime to me.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
There's really very little to say about any of this at the moment isn't there? All a bit of a blurry mess.
Almost certain that this won't lead to any change as far as Iran being an Islamic Republic goes though, which some people seem to be suggesting; there's a fair bit of pride about the nature of the state in Iran, even if a lot of people dislike/hate/ignore a fair chunk of their edicts (in the cities at least).
Almost certain that this won't lead to any change as far as Iran being an Islamic Republic goes though, which some people seem to be suggesting; there's a fair bit of pride about the nature of the state in Iran, even if a lot of people dislike/hate/ignore a fair chunk of their edicts (in the cities at least).
Teepee
like livewire voodoo
pic from protest http://twitpic.com/7gol2
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Remember Tehran is a massive city with a population of about 13 million - so 'tens of thousands on the streets' is not neceserily significent.
It seems to me the western media got very excited about Hossein Mousavi winning the election, but they were basing this on their interactions with educated liberal types in the capital.
When I saw the group of protestors chanting 'We want freedom' in English - preseumably set up by CNN or the BBC? - it made me wonder jsut how much bullshit we are being fed this time.
Was the election rigged? Who knows? Its clear though that Ahmadinejad has a lot of support amongst the rural poor whilst the younger and more educated secitons of Iranian urban society are pissed off with him. However they are all pretty solid in wanting a nuclear bomb as a deterrant to Israel.
Be interesting to see how this pans out.
It seems to me the western media got very excited about Hossein Mousavi winning the election, but they were basing this on their interactions with educated liberal types in the capital.
When I saw the group of protestors chanting 'We want freedom' in English - preseumably set up by CNN or the BBC? - it made me wonder jsut how much bullshit we are being fed this time.
Was the election rigged? Who knows? Its clear though that Ahmadinejad has a lot of support amongst the rural poor whilst the younger and more educated secitons of Iranian urban society are pissed off with him. However they are all pretty solid in wanting a nuclear bomb as a deterrant to Israel.
Be interesting to see how this pans out.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
Another pic...
Another pic...
where's the women?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
What do they call the western presentation of this kind of theing, the 'liberal assumption' or some such?
JHE
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I'd just call it:
1. Going by the opinion polls that they had and...
2. Listening to the people keenest to talk to the foreign media
Now, it COULD be that the polls were utterly off and that all the indications of fraud that have been passed on by the media are either not true or misleading... Maybe, just about, possibly.... but it's also possible that there has been massive electoral fraud and lying by Dinnerjacket's faction.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
ohmyliver
poppin' like a cork
I've been posting what little information I can get hold of (with links and that) in the other thread
the bbc persian news service is here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/tv/2009/01/000000_ptv_live_s.shtml
obviously not speaking any farsi I can't understand even a bit of it, but the footage of the demonstration today (apparently deemed 'illegal' by the state) is one of wide streets packed with people. You'll probably have to tune in on the hour to see it.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/06/15/tehran_two/index.html is an interesting article on it.
- apparently Mehdi Karrobi is also calling the election fraudulant after he got less votes than his number of supporters and 1/12 of the votes he got when he stood in 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../06/14/AR2009061401757.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
is an op ed saying that the voting results matched their poll conducted 3 weeks ago.
*eta* clear as mud
the bbc persian news service is here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/tv/2009/01/000000_ptv_live_s.shtml
obviously not speaking any farsi I can't understand even a bit of it, but the footage of the demonstration today (apparently deemed 'illegal' by the state) is one of wide streets packed with people. You'll probably have to tune in on the hour to see it.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/06/15/tehran_two/index.html is an interesting article on it.
- apparently Mehdi Karrobi is also calling the election fraudulant after he got less votes than his number of supporters and 1/12 of the votes he got when he stood in 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../06/14/AR2009061401757.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
is an op ed saying that the voting results matched their poll conducted 3 weeks ago.
*eta* clear as mud
The election was fair. The protesters are over-privileged urban bourgeois youth. The Western media is lying. The government has the support of the vast majority. That support is strongest among the peasantry. Israel will use the images of cops bashing students to rationalize it's bombing of Iran, which will be done within six months.
That's the way I see it.
That's the way I see it.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
65% of the vote in 85% turnout? In Iran? Hmmmm...what this thread shows quite conclusively is no one on it really has a real grasp of what's actually going on there...
That's pretty much what I expected.
JHE
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You base this on... what?
Mainly on what people are saying here in Turkey. I haven't heard anyone here suggest fraud, and pretty much everyone here was sure the government would win in a landslide, as indeed they did. This makes me suspect that the Western press and the Iranian bougeoisie are the only people calling foul. I'm sure I needn't point out their obvious self-interest in doing so, or their lengthy history of similar lies.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
Of course it was, the government has the popular vote, they have the vast majority of the people behind them, nothing for them to worry about.
Oh, hang on a minute, they are blocking radio, TV, newspapers, mobile phone networks and attempting to close down the internet in Iran, how odd.
Of course it’s just the youth protesting.
Oh, hang on a minute, the video coverage of the demonstrations suggest otherwise.
As opposed to Paris 68, Che, anti-Vietnam protestors or even the anti-G20 protestors......................
ohmyliver
poppin' like a cork
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8101570.stm
there must be *a lot* of over-privileged urban bourgeois youth in Iran.
There are rumours of rioting in Mashad and Ahwaz circulating as well.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
JHE
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Shots fired at the rally in Tehran, according to the Beeb. Rumours of one protester dead and others injured.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8101098.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8101098.stm
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
It may not be 1917 yet, but it just might be 1905.
Though of course only some of the older people round here will get that reference. . .
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