Somerset neo-nazi gathering (was "Scum")

[butchersapron]

I did wonder at the lack of mention or comment from/of the cops. First thing I would have done would have been rang the old bill. I didn't get any sense the landlords were acting in ignorance out of fear, but perhaps.
I don't recall hearing of any fascist activity in the area before - though i've been told on many occasions that the Front Room, a pub in weston super mare that no longer exists (ironically it's a wine bar), was an NF venue. I was never sure whether it was a windup. It seemed a bizarre thing, but weston is a nasty rough place

Not that I'm an expert.

The BNP have stepped up their activity in Somerset recently. They had their highest ever south-west vote earlier this year (in Chard, 17%, they also managed 15% in Yeovil). They're working hard to sell themselves to various civil associations to develop local legitimacy - hence that row about them being invted to speak at the pensioners meeting in Wellington a few weeks back. That said, this lot were more than likely not BNP - this was the nuttier end of the far right.

 

[butchersapron]

It is illegal to cause a breach of the peace, to piss in people's gardens, D&D, if the cops wanted to they could have arrested them for all kinds of things, or I would have thought

Why the hell would they risk a huge ruck for someone pissing in a garden? And just being a neo-nazi in a pub is not illegal, so i'm not at all sure there were lots of things they could have arrested them for.

 

[butchersapron]

Wasn't a very good report really. Suggested there had been events there before and that the brewery had known, but didn't pursue that.

I take the point that it wouldn't have been much fun for the landlady/lord to go and confront them personally, but denying they saw anything fash about it...

Is this some regular event? anybody know?

It was an Ian Stuart Donaldson memorial. They usually take place in europe or there's something up in heanor.

 

[Louloubelle]

Why the hell would they risk a huge ruck for someone pissing in a garden?

because to ignore a bunch or neo nazis holding a nazi event would be a PR disaster and make them look complicit in said event? Especially when there is video footage clearly showing said nazis causing a breach of the peace and breaking the law in other ways

And just being a neo-nazi in a pub is not illegal, so i'm not at all sure there were lots of things they could have arrested them for.

I'd be interested in what DB or any of the other resident OB has to say re this

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'd be interested in what DB or any of the other resident OB has to say re this

Something along the lines of "Fuckwitted cunt fucks." I'd imagine.

The downside of free speech and free thought is that we have to allow people to express views that are abhorent to us.

A bit of boistrousness when 800 people geet together is hardly a priority for dibble though. These cunts will be monitored though, files kept etc.

 

[butchersapron]

because to ignore a bunch or neo nazis holding a nazi event would be a PR disaster and make them look complicit in said event? Especially when there is video footage clearly showing said nazis causing a breach of the peace and breaking the law in other ways




I'd be interested in what DB or any of the other resident OB has to say re this

To arrest someone for pissing ina garden, when you can't identify them,(only having a blurred back of a head) and when you weren't there for pissing in garden is plainly not worth the risk. And have you ever tried to identify someone with a shaved head who you've not previosuly seen amongst 500 other twats with similiarly shaved bonces? I don't think so.

Breach of the peace? What, arrest all 500 people for breach in a pretty much isolated area? Yeah, local somerset plod could easily do that.

And complicy in what? Mass non-illegality?

 

[Badgers]

Fuck neo-nazis, the horses they rode in on, and the person that sold them the horses.

& the person who gave birth to the person who adopted the person who gave birth to the perosn that owned the stables who employed the person who sold the straw to the person that sold them the horses....



Not sure what to say about this footage. I can't hear the sound at work but guess you do not really need to? I don't like these people but always knew they existed, just not nice to see them being so brazen in public.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Apart from the chanting, the clip doesn't show anything that wouldn't have gone on at any festival...

 

[dtb]

what exactly were the family fleeing from? ok, so they might look a little intimidating but i'm pretty sure they weren't there to antagonise the local residents

 

[Treacle Toes]

what exactly were the family fleeing from? ok, so they might look a little intimidating but i'm pretty sure they weren't there to antagonise the local residents

Had to be there to understand I suppose...they obviously felt intimadated....the chanting would have definately upset me.

 

[butchersapron]

My understanding si this family have been in dispute with the brewery over other rallies, weekenders, festivals etc that have taken place there (not neo-nazi stuff).This, i think, is what references to previous events is pointing to, not persistent far right dodginess. And just to clarify for some people, this isn't a pub in a properly residential area - iirc only one house is even near the pub's grounds (the ones who filmed the vid and debated fleeing Berlin, sorry Redhill). This is the sort of diner style pub situated on long distance roads - like US diners, rather than just being a street corner boozer.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Apart from the chanting, the clip doesn't show anything that wouldn't have gone on at any festival...

That assumes your front lawn to be the festival (or at least toilet) and that nazi chanting and flag waving are acceptable. I wouldn't want people doing that in my lawn. You could see someone having a piss in their garden on the footage.

Their behaviour doesn't need to be explicit to be unacceptable or intimidating. Would you want a bunch of neo nazi's getting tanked up in your front garden?

 

[ViolentPanda]

because to ignore a bunch or neo nazis holding a nazi event would be a PR disaster and make them look complicit in said event? Especially when there is video footage clearly showing said nazis causing a breach of the peace and breaking the law in other ways.

When it comes to the police and fascist "events", I'm always sceptical that they'll be policed with the rigour that, for example, an ant-fascist event would be treated with.
Why? Past experience of the kid gloves with which the OB treat fascists.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Apart from the chanting, the clip doesn't show anything that wouldn't have gone on at any festival...

Are there people at Glastobury draped in Nazi flags; do they have their own third reich field?

Louis MacNeice

 

[ViolentPanda]

Something along the lines of "Fuckwitted cunt fucks." I'd imagine.

Many a true word...

The downside of free speech and free thought is that we have to allow people to express views that are abhorent to us.

A bit of boistrousness when 800 people geet together is hardly a priority for dibble though. These cunts will be monitored though, files kept etc.

Including their Home Office employment files, of course!

 

[Fedayn]

Ian Stuart Donaldson 15 year anniversary memorial.

Introducing 'The Mechanic'

 

[zed]

I wonder if the family that fled are Daily Mail readers.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Are there people at Glastobury draped in Nazi flags; do they have their own third reich field?

Louis MacNeice

I can't remember there ever having been a "Nuremberg Rally tent" either.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I wonder if the family that fled are Daily Mail readers.

Why should that matter?

 

[butchersapron]

I can't remember there ever having been a "Nuremberg Rally tent" either.

You missed the Reichstag bouncy castle?

 

[D]

You missed the Reichstag bouncy castle?

 

[zed]

Why should that matter?

It would appeal to my sense of irony.

 

[Treacle Toes]

That assumes your front lawn to be the festival (or at least toilet) and that nazi chanting and flag waving are acceptable. I wouldn't want people doing that in my lawn. You could see someone having a piss in their garden on the footage.

Their behaviour doesn't need to be explicit to be unacceptable or intimidating. Would you want a bunch of neo nazi's getting tanked up in your front garden?

Of course not I didn't express myself well it was in response to someone wondering what they were missing by not being able to hear the sound...

 

[Treacle Toes]

Are there people at Glastobury draped in Nazi flags; do they have their own third reich field?

Louis MacNeice

I didn't mean NN are at every fesitval, I meant that people getting tanked up, often pissing on private property, loud music, a big, sometimes intimidating crowd etc..

 

[Awesome Wells]

The chanting was pretty clear to me, to be fair.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I didn't mean NN are at every fesitval, I meant that people getting tanked up, often pissing on private property, loud music, a big, sometimes intimidating crowd etc..

Hardly desirable is it.

 

[zed]

So what is the problem here? That people were taking a leak in someone's bushes? Or that some Nazi sympthasisers were taking a leak in someone's bushes?

 

[DotCommunist]

Couldn't hear the 'sieg' but the roar of 'heil' was audible

 

[Treacle Toes]

The chanting was pretty clear to me, to be fair.

Yes it was...that's why the pub owners denial of not realising doesn't wash.

 

[Awesome Wells]

It would appeal to my sense of irony.

I don't think that's very funny.