Somerset neo-nazi gathering (was "Scum")
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Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Thats it, you show 'em son!
You distract one, I'll nick his flag and then we leg it 'kay?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
If any member of the BNP is of purely Aryan bloodline, I will eat my testicles.
The inbred aristocracy of Europe have about the best recorded bloodlines, and even then they are bloody mongrels.
*orders DNA test*
*crosses fingers*
film it and put it on youtube, will ya sas?
(you are right though)
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
If any member of the BNP is of purely Aryan bloodline, I will eat my testicles.
The inbred aristocracy of Europe have about the best recorded bloodlines, and even then they are bloody mongrels.
As Jesse Custer said when confronting some kkk in a d/c vertigo comic 'Why is it the greatest champions of the white race are it's ugliest individuals> you! Where the fuck is your chin'
longdog
What is it you can't face?
Nazis aren't people, they barely count as vegetables.
I'd care more about the ants I might tread on while I was shooting them.
longdog
What is it you can't face?
have you got that 'aww bless!' pic from grimesby doggy?
(or was that roadie's pic?)
No, that was roadie's
free spirit
more tea vicar?
you'd have to be a bnp member though for that to work...*orders DNA test*
*crosses fingers*
film it and put it on youtube, will ya sas?
(you are right though)
you'd have to be a bnp member though for that to work...
i don't get it.
maybe it's the cider i've been drinking
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Wasn't a very good report really. Suggested there had been events there before and that the brewery had known, but didn't pursue that.
I take the point that it wouldn't have been much fun for the landlady/lord to go and confront them personally, but denying they saw anything fash about it...
Is this some regular event? anybody know?
I take the point that it wouldn't have been much fun for the landlady/lord to go and confront them personally, but denying they saw anything fash about it...
Is this some regular event? anybody know?
a fairly big event, yet obviously passed under the radar of the SWP/UAF, even AFA, I wonder how many were from the UK and how many were actually nazis, far right, etc
btw, did anyone notice the emphasis the reporter made on the 'Sieg Heil' chant, he seemed to be shouting it, but then local news programes can be strange beasts
btw2, any chance of a clearer thread title?
btw, did anyone notice the emphasis the reporter made on the 'Sieg Heil' chant, he seemed to be shouting it, but then local news programes can be strange beasts
btw2, any chance of a clearer thread title?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Aye. As well as the trots, it doesn't look like the old bill or the secret service took much interest. Clearly wasn't some 'family friendly' BNP thing
- looked pretty hardcore. Suppose M15's interest is elsewhere.This happened in Hungary at the weekend, massive crowds of fascists/extreme nationalists attacked two 'democracy'/roma rallies then went on a rampage attacking 'soviet' icons and a looting spree
Imo, the far right in Europe are most definitely on the ascendancy, both parliamentary and bonehead tendencies...
D
Well-Known Member
I don't want to be dismissive, but there's something that renders me absolutely incredulous about the whole thing. I don't for a moment doubt that many of these folks may have the capacity to be incited to prejudice-motivated violence quite easily; but I find it so hard to conceive of why anyone with genuinely nazistic intent would embrace such a cliche, almost kitsch (and I'm sure someone's going to be upset by my articulating things in that way) identity/manifestation of those intentions. I realize I'm giving them more credit than they deserve - in all likelihood they are not engaging in any sort of intelligent discourse or personal contemplation about their performed identities; but it's like my brain can't process the mind-blowing stupidity and obviousness of it. It's almost hard to believe it's real on one level and, yet, there it is.
If you really wanted to do some damage as a neo-nazi, surely there are better, more effective ways to do it. To what extent is this merely about performance, about ritual and to what extent, I wonder, would it be backed up by action if - knock on wood - someone should actually issue (or be issuing, presently) a call to action to the people gathered in, say, Somerset. Maybe there is no "call to action", but rather lots of murmurs to action, stealth proposals whispered over beers and during breaks between Screwdriver cover bands or whatever passes for entertainment at these things.
I can't imagine what it might be like for a Holocaust survivor or WWII vet to encounter that spectacle. I guess the feeling would be different for different people; but the images of nazism (if not neo-nazism) are so much a part of popular media that I imagine desensitization may have developed for a lot of people who had direct experience with - for want of a better term - first wave nazis.
Maybe, if anything, my post betrays how fortunate - or sheltered - I am to have been born a Jew in New York City long after WWII. If I saw a bunch of people dressed up as nazis parading around my block I'd be quite surprised, to be sure, but I'd probably just assume they were doing some kind of public art project. If there were hundreds of them camping out and pissing on my doorstep I'd be...I have no idea how I'd be. I can't even fathom it happening.
All in all, the racism and the right-winged-ness in America dresses quite differently. And doesn't tend to listen to Screwdriver. And is, well, not so fringe.
My cousin - neither racist nor right-wing - is a big fan of the band Jewdriver, though.
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Regarding treelover's post about what's happening in Eastern Europe. Again, but for different reasons, I just go:
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If you really wanted to do some damage as a neo-nazi, surely there are better, more effective ways to do it. To what extent is this merely about performance, about ritual and to what extent, I wonder, would it be backed up by action if - knock on wood - someone should actually issue (or be issuing, presently) a call to action to the people gathered in, say, Somerset. Maybe there is no "call to action", but rather lots of murmurs to action, stealth proposals whispered over beers and during breaks between Screwdriver cover bands or whatever passes for entertainment at these things.
I can't imagine what it might be like for a Holocaust survivor or WWII vet to encounter that spectacle. I guess the feeling would be different for different people; but the images of nazism (if not neo-nazism) are so much a part of popular media that I imagine desensitization may have developed for a lot of people who had direct experience with - for want of a better term - first wave nazis.
Maybe, if anything, my post betrays how fortunate - or sheltered - I am to have been born a Jew in New York City long after WWII. If I saw a bunch of people dressed up as nazis parading around my block I'd be quite surprised, to be sure, but I'd probably just assume they were doing some kind of public art project. If there were hundreds of them camping out and pissing on my doorstep I'd be...I have no idea how I'd be. I can't even fathom it happening.
All in all, the racism and the right-winged-ness in America dresses quite differently. And doesn't tend to listen to Screwdriver. And is, well, not so fringe.
My cousin - neither racist nor right-wing - is a big fan of the band Jewdriver, though.
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Regarding treelover's post about what's happening in Eastern Europe. Again, but for different reasons, I just go:
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Y_I_Otter
Dangerous Terroirist
The punishment for being a nazi in these times-- an appropriate one, I think-- is having to live with the constant fear, envy and willful stupidity that fills their heads; and, in their soberer moments, chagrined realisation of the dead certainty that nothing they hope for has the slightest possibility of seeing fruition in their lifetimes.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sorry.
I do try to maintain an ongoing sabotage operation on vehicles belonging to neo-nazis, but there's so little time, so many cars and vans...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Skrewdriver's fans see themselves as "soldiers". "Those that live by the sword...", and all that.
They chose to be neo-nazis. Some people choose to express their dismay at such creatures physically. Good for them.
I've been on the receiving end of people like that, and I absolutely agree with the comments you condescend to roll your eyes at in reproach.
Fuck neo-nazis, the horses they rode in on, and the person that sold them the horses.
Given that you can clearly hear them, in the footage, chanting 'sieg hiel' and that some of them are draped in flags, neither am I.
Bit like that Mitchell and Webb sketch: "are we the bad guys?"
I did wonder at the lack of mention or comment from/of the cops. First thing I would have done would have been rang the old bill. I didn't get any sense the landlords were acting in ignorance out of fear, but perhaps.Aye. As well as the trots, it doesn't look like the old bill or the secret service took much interest. Clearly wasn't some 'family friendly' BNP thing
I don't recall hearing of any fascist activity in the area before - though i've been told on many occasions that the Front Room, a pub in weston super mare that no longer exists (ironically it's a wine bar), was an NF venue. I was never sure whether it was a windup. It seemed a bizarre thing, but weston is a nasty rough place
Not that I'm an expert.
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
I don't understand why local people didn't call the police and if they did why the police didn't turn up and break the event up
also the claims of the pub proprietors that they didn't know what was going on seem completely incredible
also the claims of the pub proprietors that they didn't know what was going on seem completely incredible
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's not illegal for neo-nazis to go to the pub. It's a pretty isolated country pub, there's not that many neighbours.
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
I saw a really interesting documentary a while back about initiation of young males from boyhood to manhood in different parts of the world.
Typically the youths have to endure some kind of ordeal (in one memorable instance it they had to wear huge gloves full of fire ants all night
) in order to earn the entitlement to be a man and to find a place for themselves in their communities.The other really memorable one was in Russia, where countless youths were growing up in bleak industrial estates with no hope of achieving anything worthwhile or being able to earn a decent living. They were ripe pickings for a group of neo-Nazis who filled their heads full of exciting tales of Russia's past glories, pagan gods and blood and honour. The youths had to undergo various ordeals to prove their bravery including a ceremony where their hands were cut and they pledged their blood to defending the honour of Russia from homosexuals, Jews and immigrants.
The really upsetting things was that it was easy to understand the seductive appeal of the Nazis to the young men, because it offered them the only option to get involved with anything that made them feel important and as if their lives had some purpose.
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
It is illegal to cause a breach of the peace, to piss in people's gardens, D&D, if the cops wanted to they could have arrested them for all kinds of things, or I would have thought
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